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Dno said:

your right numbers dont lie and sony sold more units its 1st year then microsoft and is starting 2008 with more units sold. ps3 will be n second and when the price drops and blu-ray is the standard it will kill xbox even tho it is starting to already.


uhmm...you can stop waving your victory flag, ps3 outsold 360 by under 50k. that's a weeks sales. and i won't even go into detail about ps3 price cuts...i took the liberty of perparing the chart for you too

http://vgchartz.com/hwlaunch.php?cons1=Wii&reg1=All&cons2=PS3&reg2=All&cons3=X360&reg3=All&weeks=52




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madskillz said:
elnino334 said:
The only system I ever had fail was the 360. I had all the systems after the nes except the saturn, ps1 and gamecube.

I've had a two PS2s, my 360 and a Gameboy PHAIL on me ...

The 360, however, was yanked across the room when my son ran past it once.


I guess I've been very unlucky with systems. I had my N64 break down 2 weeks after I got it for Christmas and my gameboy advance, which was also a Christmas gift, that just wouldn't power on anymore. As for Sony products: 2 PS1's & 3 PS2's. After that I just gamed on the GC & Xbox. This gen it seems MS is the only one with console faults which makes things look worse when your main competitor has stepped up their reliability.

The main point here is reliability. No one wants to always wonder when the new appliance they bought is going to crap out. The only reason I went through the process of repairing my 360 is because of software. That really makes it hard to just walk away. That's why it's good MS started to take care of that problem before Sony hits their stride.



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Goddbless said:
madskillz said:
elnino334 said:
The only system I ever had fail was the 360. I had all the systems after the nes except the saturn, ps1 and gamecube.

I've had a two PS2s, my 360 and a Gameboy PHAIL on me ...

The 360, however, was yanked across the room when my son ran past it once.


I guess I've been very unlucky with systems. I had my N64 break down 2 weeks after I got it for Christmas and my gameboy advance, which was also a Christmas gift, that just wouldn't power on anymore. As for Sony products: 2 PS1's & 3 PS2's. After that I just gamed on the GC & Xbox. This gen it seems MS is the only one with console faults which makes things look worse when your main competitor has stepped up their reliability.

The main point here is reliability. No one wants to always wonder when the new appliance they bought is going to crap out. The only reason I went through the process of repairing my 360 is because of software. That really makes it hard to just walk away. That's why it's good MS started to take care of that problem before Sony hits their stride.


 Exactly. I won't defend MS, Sony or Ninny and say they are perfect. Their crap breaks. I just find it funny this generation folks say having an unreliable console (at times) will doom a console maker. Sony proved last generation that reliablity be damned, folks still bought the PS2. The Xbox was much, much more reliable than the PS2 and phailed.

Games sell systems, not being reliable. Folks will pause buying a console deemed unreliable, but oftentimes, folks will toss caution into the wind if a system has more than enough games. 



madskillz said:
Dno said:
madskillz said:
MrMafoo said:

At everything I stated, Sony is in a totally different league as MS. It’s like a pro football team competing against High School team. This is all new to MS, and something Sony has been excelling at for decades. The cost of the PS3 will reach $100 long before the cost of the 360 will. The reliability of the PS3 will outperform the 360 for its entire lifetime. It currently has more features: Built in Wi-Fi, built in HD Movie Player, Bluetooth, upgradeable HD, HDMI (now all 360’s sold have it). It’s quieter, and looks more like a piece of home theater equipment (although that’s subjective).

If the competition was to make the best software, MS would win. But at the end of the day, what these companies expect you to buy, is a piece of hardware. MS, today anyway, cannot remotely compete with Sony when it comes to consumer electronics. They can make something great that they deliver on day one. But the qualities needed to make that a successful product over the life of its usefulness, MS has not yet figured out.


Two things - first, if MS is a high school team, they'd be investigated because there's no way on God's green earth that a prep school could hang with a horrible college team, much less a pro team. Right now, it's the first half of the basketball game, and Sony is doing little more than trading baskets. I could see if Sony came out in Nov. 2006 and just pummelled MS like Ninny did. They did little more than make a few free throws. Near the end of the first quarter, they were getting buried and finally woke up. They started a brief run, but soon MS answered and now, it's still a 40-point lead for MS.

The second part is - what makes a console a success. Who said the 360 wasn't useful? I watch digital downloads a lot on it. I can also chat with my buddies on MSN Messenger without having to go back to my PC. If they had a Web browser, I'd never need to get on my PC unless I need to use Photoshop. And I enjoyed having the option of no having to buy a hard drive, not having to buy a next-gen HD player AND not having to buy a wifi adapter unless I wanted to. Guess what - for $199, I can get a 360 and a few bucks more and I can be gaming in the next-gen. No so with the PS3. And really, all a person is getting is the potential of an awesome system in the future.

In the end, the 360 is losing to the PS3 by just 20K to 30K a week. At that rate, it would be take 4 to 5 years to not only catch the 360, but hopes the 360 just stops selling altogether.

In the end, it's your opinion and not mine, but the numbers don't lie ...


your right numbers dont lie and sony sold more units its 1st year then microsoft and is starting 2008 with more units sold. ps3 will be n second and when the price drops and blu-ray is the standard it will kill xbox even tho it is starting to already.


Your argument is rather flawed. The 360 was supply constrained - the PS3 was never constrained. Two weeks after it was released, I saw several in the wild. It was late Spring of 2006 before I spotted a 360. You can search the Web and find what I've said to be true.

Based on the fact that there were more PS3s available since launch than the 360 means more folks could buy one vs. not buying one.

Regardless, I think a lot of folks are waiting for the consoles to reach $199. Just watch sales soar after that ...


While it is true that it was supply constrained that doesnt necessarily mean that it didnt sell as many in the first year as it would have. I got my 1st 360 in Feb of 2006 as many who wanted it just held out until they were available. The 360 was not supply constrained for the whole year so I am wondering what the basis is of you stating it would have sold more for its first year.



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While people talk about 360 being supply constrained its first year remember that PS3 wasnt available in Europe the whole year. Also remember that PS3 wasn't going up against 360s first year. It went up against it's second year and 360 won out. Now it's 3rd year vs. 2nd and PS3 seems to be gaining some ground.

As for Hardware and software, I had an NES break on me which sucked. I also had a PS2 break on me. I guess reliability is a big issue for me because I switched to Playstation when my NES broke and then switched to Xbox when my PS2 broke. When my 360 broke the software I had and the software that was coming was too good to not get it repaired. I think the games are really what it's all about.

The point is more money is better. They aren't just selling consoles, accessories and software. They are making money. Sony used to have Microsoft beat until they started to take losses. Right now they are both losing and Nintendo is winning. The money isn't really in the hardware. Can you make money on hardware? of course but not the kind you make on software. So ultimately its about software. you are selling these systems so that other people will give you money to put games on them. Right now PS3 is outselling 360 worldwide by 10-20k a week but 360 still leads software and thats where the money is. Ultimately the person best at this game is Nintendo because even when they sell the least they still make money. This is because they don't sell at a loss. The more consoles sold for them means an immediate increase in cash, then down the line more software will sell which means more cash. The N64 and the Gamecube were both profitable. I don't know how much Nintendo made but I do know that for all the systems sold by Sony they didn't make as much as most people think. Ultimately you realize that the best console is the one that makes money all the time. That means Nintendo wins.

Each system has different things going for it and thats why it's been a tight race.

PS3 has the brand name, the reliability and the value. You get a lot for your money and its a name you recognize.

Wii has the price, the hype and the reliability. I ultimately think that both price and hype are most important and thats why Wii is winning. Especially in America.

360 has the software, its gaining brand name and has ok value. In America the 360 brandname is really coming on strong. The value right now isn't too bad considering it's just a little more than a wii but you can do more with it.

Unfortunately it doesn't seem to matter because Nintendo will always be the best console because it will always make money.



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One is a hardware company the other can't even get their software right, no surprise the 360 is the biggets pos in console history.



Mars said:
One is a hardware company the other can't even get their software right, no surprise the 360 is the biggets pos in console history.


Until the PS3, Sony never got their hardware right, either.

And by all accounts, MS provides great developer tools so they must be doing something right.

BTW, nice troll post. This thread was going really well until you showed up.




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rocketpig said:
Mr. Mafoo, I think overall you're on the right track but you're forgetting two very important things:

Until the 360 released, the two most unreliable consoles in history (to my knowledge, at least) were the PS1 and PS2.

While Sony seems to have gotten it right with the PS3, it hasn't always been that way (though every other Sony product I have owned over the years has been super-reliable).

 Never had any problems with either mine, but did have alot of problems having games load properly with my NES/SNES/N64 because of the cartridges.



Username2324 said:
rocketpig said:
Mr. Mafoo, I think overall you're on the right track but you're forgetting two very important things:

Until the 360 released, the two most unreliable consoles in history (to my knowledge, at least) were the PS1 and PS2.

While Sony seems to have gotten it right with the PS3, it hasn't always been that way (though every other Sony product I have owned over the years has been super-reliable).

Never had any problems with either mine, but did have alot of problems having games load properly with my NES/SNES/N64 because of the cartridges.


As far as I know, the only cartridge system that had widespread problems was the original NES because of its slot-and-push system, which caused most of the annoyance. The system usually still worked, but people were rigging stuff to keep it going.

Whereas the PSX/PS2 problems are widely documented and there were no workarounds for some of the problems (other than turning the PSX upside down in some cases). Not every one failed (mine didn't, after all) but the problems were widespread.




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Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't Playstation losing to Nintendo? I don't get the point of your thread. You're basically saying, "hey, my console is a losing console but I'm probably won't lose as bad as you!"

People that make this kind of threads need to remember that Nintendo already won and stop referring as "well PS3 will win this way"

Wake up and accept reality, your console lost unless you own the Wii.



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