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Is religion a benefit

Yes religion is a benefit to society 61 36.75%
 
No religion does not benefit society 31 18.67%
 
Religion is not helpfull but harmfull 61 36.75%
 
See results 12 7.23%
 
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Dark_Lord_2008 said:

Religion is dominant in less educated and less sophisticated societies. The more educated and advanced society becomes there is little or no need for a belief in a superstitious, corrupt backwards religious belief system. Islam is widely linked to global terrorism/jihad. Widespread corruption, religious crusades and child sex abuse scandals have plagued Christian religions and sects. 

This is actually one of the great lies perpetuated by the left.  Studies have shown that the more advanced and prominent members of any country are likely to be more active in their church and the poor and less educated are less involved. 

Even in Islam, it is the more upwardly mobile who are more actve in their faith. 

It's always religion that gets blasted for the negatives but they never receive the credit for the positive things they bring...and their positives far outway the negatives.



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Kasz216 said:
Torillian said:
Kasz216 said:

But Math says we won't.

Godel's incompleteness theory seems to more or less prove we will never find a complete science of the universe... even if we were to brazenly assume that humanity will always live on and not be wiped out.

Hell, we can't even prove math.. so really everything we think we're sure of... we aren't.

Sure we'll never be 100% certain of anything, but we'll learn more and more about it and I think we'll get a pretty good idea of how the universe began before too long.  I mean think of the gigantic strides science and technology have made in the lifetime of our parents or their parents.  To say "science will never ascertain _____" seems highly presumptuous to me as science is just the means by which humans study the world around them and try to understand it, and I think one day we will have the technology to study things as difficult as the beginning without invoking "god did it".


How do you science yourself around a mathematical law?


What an irritating little response, congrats for that I suppose.

Alright so I've read over Godel's Law as much as I think is reasonable, so you tell me how this means we'll never know how the universe began?  I already stipulated that we won't know everything about it ever, but tell me why this law means we'll never even have a clue at it.  Do your best to use small words so I can science myself through reading it.  

To my knowledge it seems like you're going to have to prove that the theorem (not a law btw) applies to this question and not just the systems that it is stated for.  



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scat398 said:
Dark_Lord_2008 said:

Religion is dominant in less educated and less sophisticated societies. The more educated and advanced society becomes there is little or no need for a belief in a superstitious, corrupt backwards religious belief system. Islam is widely linked to global terrorism/jihad. Widespread corruption, religious crusades and child sex abuse scandals have plagued Christian religions and sects. 

This is actually one of the great lies perpetuated by the left.  Studies have shown that the more advanced and prominent members of any country are likely to be more active in their church and the poor and less educated are less involved. 

Even in Islam, it is the more upwardly mobile who are more actve in their faith. 

It's always religion that gets blasted for the negatives but they never receive the credit for the positive things they bring...and their positives far outway the negatives.

this mean only one they try to uphold social cohesion in system which is a useful for them, in communism this was exactly the same



twilight_link said:
scat398 said:
Dark_Lord_2008 said:

Religion is dominant in less educated and less sophisticated societies. The more educated and advanced society becomes there is little or no need for a belief in a superstitious, corrupt backwards religious belief system. Islam is widely linked to global terrorism/jihad. Widespread corruption, religious crusades and child sex abuse scandals have plagued Christian religions and sects. 

This is actually one of the great lies perpetuated by the left.  Studies have shown that the more advanced and prominent members of any country are likely to be more active in their church and the poor and less educated are less involved. 

Even in Islam, it is the more upwardly mobile who are more actve in their faith. 

It's always religion that gets blasted for the negatives but they never receive the credit for the positive things they bring...and their positives far outway the negatives.

this mean only one they try to uphold social cohesion in system which is a useful for them, in communism this was exactly the same

actually communism would have been closer to a secular society where the governement essentialy became the religion of the people, it's the ultimate goal of the progressive movement. 

I'm not a religious man myself, but I would be foolish not recognize the enormous amount of good it has brought to the world.



scat398 said:

actually communism would have been closer to a secular society where the governement essentialy became the religion of the people, it's the ultimate goal of the progressive movement. 

I'm not a religious man myself, but I would be foolish not recognize the enormous amount of good it has brought to the world.

What "good" are you attributing to religion?



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scat398 said:
twilight_link said:
scat398 said:
Dark_Lord_2008 said:

Religion is dominant in less educated and less sophisticated societies. The more educated and advanced society becomes there is little or no need for a belief in a superstitious, corrupt backwards religious belief system. Islam is widely linked to global terrorism/jihad. Widespread corruption, religious crusades and child sex abuse scandals have plagued Christian religions and sects. 

This is actually one of the great lies perpetuated by the left.  Studies have shown that the more advanced and prominent members of any country are likely to be more active in their church and the poor and less educated are less involved. 

Even in Islam, it is the more upwardly mobile who are more actve in their faith. 

It's always religion that gets blasted for the negatives but they never receive the credit for the positive things they bring...and their positives far outway the negatives.

this mean only one they try to uphold social cohesion in system which is a useful for them, in communism this was exactly the same

actually communism would have been closer to a secular society where the governement essentialy became the religion of the people, it's the ultimate goal of the progressive movement. 

I'm not a religious man myself, but I would be foolish not recognize the enormous amount of good it has brought to the world.

the postwar communism in central Europe was hugely build around post war world order i think there was hardly any ideological doctrine, yes there was Marxism-Leninism, but they were just satellites to almighty soviet Russia, their ultimate goal was uphold status quo as long as soviet Russia was at power nothing more or less.

in case of religion, this invention existed from time immemorial so certainly they brought something positive, it is after all too human invention, it has to be expected, the question is not yes or no but what kind of religion.



dsgrue3 said:
scat398 said:

actually communism would have been closer to a secular society where the governement essentialy became the religion of the people, it's the ultimate goal of the progressive movement. 

I'm not a religious man myself, but I would be foolish not recognize the enormous amount of good it has brought to the world.

What "good" are you attributing to religion?

Well lets see.  Greater value on life, community, charity.  Higher rates of happiness and wellness.  How do you not acknowledge the good religion has brought to the world?  



scat398 said:
dsgrue3 said:

What "good" are you attributing to religion?

Well lets see.  Greater value on life, community, charity.  Higher rates of happiness and wellness.  How do you not acknowledge the good religion has brought to the world?  

I'm just asking what you meant by it.

Greater value on life - unless of course you're gay, polygamous, of another religion, etc.

Community - yep, I even advocated this in my previous post in this thread.

Charity - Yep, another good aspect of religion although I would argue that instead of wasting money donating to a church it could be added to the charity instead.

Higher Rates of happiness and wellness - I'd be interested to read information about this if you have it. Sounds like it's based on a supposition.



scat398 said:
Dark_Lord_2008 said:

Religion is dominant in less educated and less sophisticated societies. The more educated and advanced society becomes there is little or no need for a belief in a superstitious, corrupt backwards religious belief system. Islam is widely linked to global terrorism/jihad. Widespread corruption, religious crusades and child sex abuse scandals have plagued Christian religions and sects. 

This is actually one of the great lies perpetuated by the left.  Studies have shown that the more advanced and prominent members of any country are likely to be more active in their church and the poor and less educated are less involved. 

Even in Islam, it is the more upwardly mobile who are more actve in their faith. 

It's always religion that gets blasted for the negatives but they never receive the credit for the positive things they bring...and their positives far outway the negatives.

If this is so then why are there are more non-religious people then ever before?



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scat398 said:
Dark_Lord_2008 said:

Religion is dominant in less educated and less sophisticated societies. The more educated and advanced society becomes there is little or no need for a belief in a superstitious, corrupt backwards religious belief system. Islam is widely linked to global terrorism/jihad. Widespread corruption, religious crusades and child sex abuse scandals have plagued Christian religions and sects. 

This is actually one of the great lies perpetuated by the left.  Studies have shown that the more advanced and prominent members of any country are likely to be more active in their church and the poor and less educated are less involved. 

Even in Islam, it is the more upwardly mobile who are more actve in their faith. 

It's always religion that gets blasted for the negatives but they never receive the credit for the positive things they bring...and their positives far outway the negatives.

Your 1950s McCarthy style propaganda  argument does not hold up. It is 2013 buddy and the Cold War and Communism ended over 20 years with the collapse of the Soviet Union and both China and Russia have moved away from Communism towards Capitalism. Religion in the western world has become irrelevant over the last 30 years as people no longer need religious influence in their lives. Jehovah's Witness and Christian cults doomsday predictions of the world coming to an end in 1975/84/99/2001/12 never happened. The Catholic church has been found out to be covering up pedophile Priests and nuns abusing children in orphanages over a long period of time. Muslim extremists were behind terrorist attacks: 9/11, London bombings, Madrid bombings, Boston bombings and countless other terrorist attacks around the world. The most advanced and wealthy members of society are now mainly atheists who only care for self, wealth and maintaining their power, control and influence. Society has changed since the 1950s/60s.