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MoHasanie on 28 April 2013

hmm, since the PlayStation brand is larger, the Xbox 360 doesn't sell as well as the PS3 in regions outside North America and the UK, and the PS4 can always rely on Japan to add 10 million sales, I'm going to say that the PS4 will win next generation. Also, the 360 won in regions which have shown to be least loyal to a specific brand, so saying that the Xbox will own the US is something that can't be predicted right now. So with those things considered, the PS4 might do really well.
Ofcourse, things going against the PS4 are that it is only a console with improved graphics, it will probably be expensive, and it doesn't have a gimmick to appeal to casuals (the PS Eye thingy could appeal to casuals but the Kinect 2 should be more impressive).
So the PS4 might win in sales but I doubt it will win in profits.

I'm predicting
PS4: 80 million
Nextbox: 70 million
WiiU: 30 million



    

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Andrespetmonkey on 28 April 2013
Zero999 said:
Andrespetmonkey said:
ChristianSoldier said:
Also, people seem to be underestimating a First party nintendo game's selling power

Not really. I mean, they're some of the biggest sellers you could ask for, but they aren't miracle workers. Look at Gamecube (22M) or N64 (32M)... both show Nintendo consoles can't sell themselves on Nintendo software alone. I see a similar but slightly better fate for Wii U (which isn't necessarily bad).

that's a fallacy. by that logic, ps3 would have sold 200 million. N64 had nearly 0 multiplats and gamecube faced the extreme popularity of ps2 that even had a year headstart. The fact is that the market is much different now than 10 or 15 years ago and yes, nintendo's first party do have a huge hardware selling power. much higher than on the 5th and 6th gen.

My point is that Nintendo consoles (at least home consoles) have never sold well on first party games alone, thus the Wii U cannot rely on it's first party alone. I use GC and N64 as examples, because as you've helped prove, all they really had going for them was Nintendo's first party, and with that alone neither sold well. Were there other factors that meant GC and N64 weren't particularly successful? Of course, but that doesn't negate the fact that Nintendo's first party support wasn't enough to salvage them. You mention a lack of third party for the N64... it's looking like Wii U will get the same treatment. You mention tough competition for the GC, well I don't want to speak too early and there may be some bias in this but the hype for PS4 and even an unnanounced nexbox seems way stronger than the hype for the Wii U, not to mention the Wii U is selling about as well as the PS Vita right now.

What the Wii U has going for it that the GC and N64 didn't is a headstart and a sort of unique feature that may prove sort of popular/useful, which is why I predicted it'll be more successful but not that much more so.



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RazorDragon on 28 April 2013

It won't outsell both and it won't be the 1st most sold console. The console with the best hardware never wins, I guess after 8 generations of gaming consoles people would already know that.



Zero999 on 28 April 2013
S.T.A.G.E. said:
Zero999 said:
Andrespetmonkey said:
ChristianSoldier said:
Also, people seem to be underestimating a First party nintendo game's selling power

Not really. I mean, they're some of the biggest sellers you could ask for, but they aren't miracle workers. Look at Gamecube (22M) or N64 (32M)... both show Nintendo consoles can't sell themselves on Nintendo software alone. I see a similar but slightly better fate for Wii U (which isn't necessarily bad).

that's a fallacy. by that logic, ps3 would have sold 200 million. N64 had nearly 0 multiplats and gamecube faced the extreme popularity of ps2 that even had a year headstart. The fact is that the market is much different now than 10 or 15 years ago and yes, nintendo's first party do have a huge hardware selling power. much higher than on the 5th and 6th gen.

The higher the installed base the higher the chance of profitability no matter which platform. Nintendo has a legion of fans, but the casuals they acquired with the Wii mostly bought bundles. 

i tried but couldn't find a single piece of logic in your words, so let me explain again: saying nintendo first party's won't help wii u sell beyond N64/GC levels is ridiculous, too much difference in the market. that casual BS is an excuse for an argument, wii was bought by a huge amount of tradicional gamers even though there were non tradicinal gamers in the midle.

Wii u is a machine fully capable of receiving multiplatform games and nintendo's first party titles will raise the install base, giving more incentive for multiplats to come, wich raises the base even more and it keeps going. actually, by getting most of the multiplatform + nintendo exclusive, wii u could sell more than the other two combined.



walsufnir on 28 April 2013
Dark_Lord_2008 said:

Based on the lack of information we have had on the NextBox. Very slow start to Wii U sales as consumers wait for the other systems to arrive  on the market. PS4  information has been very positive and the PS4 has specifications that the NextBox can only dream they could match. You can safely put your house on that the PS4 will comfortably outsell the NextBox and WiiU. I believe the PS4 will outsell their competitors like they did during the PS2 generation. Most consumers will want PS4 as it is the best system and has the best games. Limited information on the NextBox and the WiiU is not really selling.

My Ltd sales predictions for the three systems will be as follows:

150 million PS4

70 million NextBox

80 million WiiU.

Anyway do you guys also believe the PS4 will outsell both Wii U and NextBox by a huge margin?


That's some kind of a bad OP... The PS4 has specs NextBox can only dream of? Even if rumors were true this is simply just wrong. It seems this is the only thing you use for your argumentation, "best games" is too subjective.

In general I can see NextBox also outsell PS4 - the race should be close and I hope it will. Nintendo is out in my opinion, WiiU won't repeat the Wii-success. I don't want to predict sales as there are too many factors to count in the next years which can massively change sales.



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Zero999 on 28 April 2013
Andrespetmonkey said:
Zero999 said:
Andrespetmonkey said:
ChristianSoldier said:
Also, people seem to be underestimating a First party nintendo game's selling power

Not really. I mean, they're some of the biggest sellers you could ask for, but they aren't miracle workers. Look at Gamecube (22M) or N64 (32M)... both show Nintendo consoles can't sell themselves on Nintendo software alone. I see a similar but slightly better fate for Wii U (which isn't necessarily bad).

that's a fallacy. by that logic, ps3 would have sold 200 million. N64 had nearly 0 multiplats and gamecube faced the extreme popularity of ps2 that even had a year headstart. The fact is that the market is much different now than 10 or 15 years ago and yes, nintendo's first party do have a huge hardware selling power. much higher than on the 5th and 6th gen.

My point is that Nintendo consoles (at least home consoles) have never sold well on first party games alone, thus the Wii U cannot rely on it's first party alone. I use GC and N64 as examples, because as you've helped prove, all they really had going for them was Nintendo's first party, and with that alone neither sold well. Were there other factors that meant GC and N64 weren't particularly successful? Of course, but that doesn't negate the fact that Nintendo's first party support wasn't enough to salvage them. You mention a lack of third party for the N64... it's looking like Wii U will get the same treatment. You mention tough competition for the GC, well I don't want to speak too early and there may be some bias in this but the hype for PS4 and even an unnanounced nexbox seems way stronger than the hype for the Wii U, not to mention the Wii U is selling about as well as the PS Vita right now.

What the Wii U has going for it that the GC and N64 didn't is a headstart and a sort of unique feature that may prove sort of popular/useful, which is why I predicted it'll be more successful but not that much more so.

bolded1: simple lie

bolded2:  I am talking about a real competition, ps2 was already out for a year when gamecube released and had everything at it's favor. that itself limited popularity for gamecube and xbox.

what wii u has going for it are nintendo exclusives + multiplatforms. all the reason someone wants to buy a videogame.



Areym on 28 April 2013

It's far too early to tell. Playstation lost a lot of ground this gen to Microsoft and nintendo. However, I don't see Nintendo coming back from their current situation and if the 360 does go "always online", I can see the PS4 winning next gen. Again, it's just too early to tell but I have high hopes the PS4 will perform well.



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fillet on 28 April 2013
walsufnir said:
Dark_Lord_2008 said:

Based on the lack of information we have had on the NextBox. Very slow start to Wii U sales as consumers wait for the other systems to arrive  on the market. PS4  information has been very positive and the PS4 has specifications that the NextBox can only dream they could match. You can safely put your house on that the PS4 will comfortably outsell the NextBox and WiiU. I believe the PS4 will outsell their competitors like they did during the PS2 generation. Most consumers will want PS4 as it is the best system and has the best games. Limited information on the NextBox and the WiiU is not really selling.

My Ltd sales predictions for the three systems will be as follows:

150 million PS4

70 million NextBox

80 million WiiU.

Anyway do you guys also believe the PS4 will outsell both Wii U and NextBox by a huge margin?


That's some kind of a bad OP... The PS4 has specs NextBox can only dream of? Even if rumors were true this is simply just wrong. It seems this is the only thing you use for your argumentation, "best games" is too subjective.

In general I can see NextBox also outsell PS4 - the race should be close and I hope it will. Nintendo is out in my opinion, WiiU won't repeat the Wii-success. I don't want to predict sales as there are too many factors to count in the next years which can massively change sales.


Most sensible post in the thread.

Far too early to make predictions, especially wild ones like in the OP based on nothing more than speculation and even if speculation is correct, still doesn't mean that much depending on what else happens.

Shot in the dark at best.



MonstaMack on 28 April 2013

I need to see all the specs and price ranges of PS4 and the 720 before I can make predictions.
With that said, anything above 100m is a bit high for any of the systems. Wii is still below 100m as it stands.



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Mad55 on 28 April 2013

Man I can't wait till the ps4 and 720 launch and we finally see. Gonna have some people hiding lol.