Xbox 360:         240  Gflops, 512mb ram, 22.4 gb/s bandwidth

Wii-U:                370  Gflops, 2gb ram, 12.8 gb/s bandwidth

Playstation 4:   1860 Gflops, 8gb ram, 176gb/s bandwidth

Also PS4 can use the gpu for big compute calculations like physics, the Wii-U can't.

Zero has lost every argument in this thread but he doesnt give up. Got to hand it to him really. His tenacity is somthing else

People keep mentioning those 2 consoles because, before the Wii, Nintendo hasn't had any succes ever since Sony entered the market. They just can't compete with them in the core gaming market, that's why they did a 180 with the Wii and targetted a totally different market, people that normally don't play on consoles. Brilliant move by Nintendo and IMO they should keep going that direction.However, Wwith the Wii-U they are also trying to go back to the core gamers and that is exactly what is hurting them.

Core gamers will buy a next gen console because they want next gen graphics, if you think the Wii-U can compete with the ps4/ Next box then fine man. But fact remains that it doesn't. Sure it can still have nice graphics just like the ps3 and 360 can, but you can't argue with computing power numbers. Do you honestly believe MS and Sony would spend a fortune on launching new consoles if you could only see the difference between their current gen plaforms by looking at small, irrelevant differences through a microscope? 

Just let me repeat what Epic said about the Wii-U one more time, so you can take it into perspective...

"When someone asks if Unreal Engine 4 will work on Wii U, Epic co-founder Mark Rein bursts out laughing. "No," he says.

Following an Unreal Engine presentation at 2013's Game Developer Conference, Rein clarifies his response to IGN, still laughing, "I just laugh at the question...Unreal Engine 4, we're not PlayStation 3, Xbox 360, or Wii U. It's next-gen technology. That's what we're aiming for."

So while UE4 proper won't make its way onto Wii U, Rein explains that developers are capable of porting software powered by the engine. "The truth is, if a developer wanted to take an Unreal Engine game and put it on Wii U, they could," Rein continues. "Unreal Engine 3 is kicking ass on Wii U. The best games on Wii U are made on our technology. What more do you want from us?"

There's a lot of delusion on this thread and is all coming from that guy zero999

lol wut. How is just as better OR better when a LOT of next gen third party games won't even run on it, at all?

Also, you're wrong. The Wii U isn't twice as powerful as the Xbox 360 or the PS3. It's GPU is only capable of 330 something flops, which is only around a 50% improvement over the HD twin's GPU's. The PS4's GPU is 5 times more powerful than the Wii U's, and eight times as powerful as the PS3's in raw flops alone, not to even mention the other technical improvements on the PS4's gpu. Also the PS4 has more 6 GB of more RAM than the Wii U, and is WAY faster and has a WAY higher bandwith, meaning high res textures which equates to WAY better looking games that the Wii U could only wish to run. The difference between the Wii U and the PS4 will be astronomical, it's just as big as the difference between the Wii and PS3's power, if not greater.

And you'd be lying to yourself if you think the Wii was a viable option for third party games, I mean look at the popular 3rd party game sales compared to the HD Twins..

Exactly.

The sales of Super Mario 3D Land and Mario Kart 7 for the 3DS says different. I'm expecting Wind Waker HD, 3D Mario and Mario Kart 8 to be released for the Wii U before the end of the year, we've also got Wii Fit U, Pikmin 3, The Wonderful 101 and Game & Wario being released during these next few months.

NSMB U sales have been held back because (imo) it's too similar to the previous versions and released too close to the other versions.

We've also got the possibility of Wii Sports U being released, probably with online play.

Then you've got to take into account that the PS4 and 720, due to being made on a 28nm process, are going to be supply constrained for a while so even if customers are happy with forking out the cash for a more expensive console they might not be able to pick one up for a while...and if that wasn't enough you've also got to take into account that customers buying a 720 will also have the added expense of paying for Live Gold subscriptions on top of the price of the console.

Even if we knew the floppage of Latte (which we don't), flops measurement doesn't tell the whole story. There's over a third of the GPU silicone that's a complete mystery. I'd say it's quite likely that Nintendo have included some sort of evolution of the TEV Unit in Flipper and Hollywood that will give developers (and most importantly engines) 'free' use of common shader effects. And Latte also has compute functionality, it's been confirmed from the horse's mouth.

As for the bandwidth of the RAM, you've got to remember that latency is more important than bandwidth. You've also got to consider that the difference in the size of RAM can be negated somewhat by Nintendo's mental compression algorithms, the same algorithms (I'm guessing) that enabled a game like Jett Rocket to squeeze into 40MB of data on WiiWare.

And when comparing the 360 to the Wii U you've also got to take into account that the Wii U has dedicated silicone to handle sound, IO and OS functions whereas Xenon has to deal with all that itself, the fact that Xenon is in-order and Expresso is out-of-order and that, contrary to popular beleif, Broadway in the Wii outperforms Xenon in general processing tasks. Xenon will outclass the Broadway and Expresso at double precision floating point operations, but then that's what the GPGPU is for.

You've all got to remember that Ninto have the best hardware engineers in the business and that we know so little about what's under the hood of the Wii U despite the world and his wife performing teardowns on it. The proof is going to be in the proverbial pudding when we see what the likes of 3D Mario, Mario Kart 8, Metroid and Zelda look like.

One thing I'm certain of is that due to their forward thinking with their choices of hardware and architecture developers will find porting between the Wii U, PS4, 720 and PC a great deal easier than porting to and from the Wii which had a nonstandard rendering pipeline, and by the looks of the launch ports it appears that if they are using an evolution of the TEV Unit it doesn't share the headaches with porting issues that the predecessor had.

I'm quite confident that once the Wii U starts selling publishers will ensure that there's a Wii U SKU of every major title and that said titles won't be beyond the Wii U's hardware to reproduce on the platform until the end of the Wii U's lifetime. I gurarantee you all that we'll have PS4 and 720 owners complaining that the Wii U is going to be holding back games, the same way we had Xbox and GameCube owners complaining about the PS2.

I really don't understand how people are still arguing the specs here lol. Epic said the Unreal 4 engine won't work on the Wii-u because they are aiming at next gen tech, not the ps3, 360 and Wii-U. He literally had to laugh when he was asked if the engine was coming to the Wii-U.

The exact specs might be a mystery but that is only because Nintendo doesn't want people to know. However, if they are on par with the next gen consoles then why aren't we seeing any 1080p games on it? Also you can be sure a key engine developer like Epic knows the specs like the inside of their pocket. If they say Nintendo has to make do with the Unreal3 engine then that's the truth. Business wise it might actually hurt them, but they just can't make it work. Nintendo gambled on a expensive tablet controller instead of next gen specs and we have to wait and see how that will work out for them.

I think many of you (on both sides of the argument) are failing to realize that many people will buy MORE THAN ONE system. Video game consoles aren't exactly the most expensive hobby to get into. If PS4 does really well, it will probably drag the Wii U sales UP and vice versa.

I will eventually own a Wii U because I love my Nintendo games. I will also most likely get the PS4 and/or Xbox 720 for many of the 3rd party games and some exclusives.

Right now the new system costs too much with too little game for me to justify the purchase. With more game and/or a price cut, I'll be all over the Wii U. Same story with the PS4 etc. They are going to have to have a compelling launch line up to get me to bite at $400+ (it might be more).

milticonsole owners are minority.