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S.T.A.G.E. on 27 April 2013
NintendoPie said:
Iwata is telling the truth. It's not underpowered compared to the Wii.


I'll agree with that for sure. LOL when compared to the Wii, lol thats quite a leap. When I play my PS3 and the Wii U I dont really notice a difference.



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Areym on 27 April 2013


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Grandia on 27 April 2013
Cobretti2 said:
Grandia said:
tontus said:
DaRev said:
pezus said:
He fails to mention the consoles that most people WiiU is underpowered compared to. WiiU being underpowered compared to PS4 and most likely Nextbox isn't a misunderstanding, it's fact.

Iwata doesn't fail to do anything, because what he's saying is that you can develop games on the WiiU (yeah it's that simple). He is not comparing the WiiU to any other console - you might want or expect him to to that, but he is not. For example, NBA 2K 14 will come out eventually for all consooles, including the WiiU, so the console is not underpowered. Similarly, the next Modern Warfare and other 3rd party games (Watch Dogs) should be on the WiiU as well, so the console is not underpowered.

What I think Iwata is saying as well is that there is this a seed of crazy thinking being cultivated by people like Epic and Sony and MS, that games have to look a certain way to be a game - this is the misunderstanding Iwata is talking about. I assume the way he plans to change this misundertsnading to make sucessful games on the WiiU (from the second half 2013), and once developers see that their games can sell well on WiiU, regardless of how they look, they will understand that the WiiU is not underpowered.

The only reason games like the next CoD, NBA & Watch Dogs are coming to the Wii U is because they're coming to the PS360, if they were made for the PS4/Xbox Infinite then you can be sure that they wouldn't come to the Wii U, why would developers sacrifice quality/increase budgets just to release on the Wii U when the sales won't justifiy those efforts? In a few years when multiplatform games aren't being made for the PS360 then they'll also stop coming for the Wii U too.

And expecting and wanting significantly more advanced graphics from next generation consoles is not crazy thinking, it's exactly what the vast majority of people expect and want from new consoles. Also more power can help make the gameplay, load-times, & AI etc, better too. Iwata making a successful Nintendo game isn't going to encourage developers to make games for the Wii U anymore than successful Nintendo games encouraged developers to make their games for the Wii. There is no misunderstanding, developers know that they will make more money developing for PS4, Xbox Infinite & PC without having to sacrifice quality for the underpowered Wii U which wouldn't be worth it anyway as only Nintendo exclusives sell well on Nintendo consoles.

There is no big leap in graphics this time, games on PS4 will not look significantly better than on PS 3 or WiiU. There is no possibility for much better looking games, look at games like Uncharted 3 or Gears of War 3 it looks almsot as good as the reality it is not that far away from photo-realistic. How you want to make games that look better than the reality?

All games which will come out for the next generation consoles will be possible with only minor downgrades on the wii u too, the only question is if developers will see enaugh potential to sell games on the wiiu. It has to pay of for them to releas downports for wiiu.


we are no were NEAR reality. There was some article about a week or two ago that said you need about 2PETAFLOPS (or some othe rnumber cant remember) to acheive this.  It equates to 2000 gtx690 cards (so whatever the TFLOPS on this card are)


But where is the benefit of going further to photo-realistic graphics if no one will notice a real difference to the graphics like they are now already in  Ps3, Wiiu games? If you play Uncharted 3 it already looks like photo-realistic, if you play gears of War it looks like photo-realistic, parts of this games look already even better than the reality because they use brighter colors than reality do, no one except for some graphics fetishists will notice improvements  to this graphics especially when you play the game the focus is not only on the graphics.

So why someone should invest millions of dollars in development if no one will notice a real difference?



S.T.A.G.E. on 27 April 2013
Areym said:




oniyide on 27 April 2013
Grandia said:
Cobretti2 said:
Grandia said:
tontus said:
DaRev said:
pezus said:
He fails to mention the consoles that most people WiiU is underpowered compared to. WiiU being underpowered compared to PS4 and most likely Nextbox isn't a misunderstanding, it's fact.

Iwata doesn't fail to do anything, because what he's saying is that you can develop games on the WiiU (yeah it's that simple). He is not comparing the WiiU to any other console - you might want or expect him to to that, but he is not. For example, NBA 2K 14 will come out eventually for all consooles, including the WiiU, so the console is not underpowered. Similarly, the next Modern Warfare and other 3rd party games (Watch Dogs) should be on the WiiU as well, so the console is not underpowered.

What I think Iwata is saying as well is that there is this a seed of crazy thinking being cultivated by people like Epic and Sony and MS, that games have to look a certain way to be a game - this is the misunderstanding Iwata is talking about. I assume the way he plans to change this misundertsnading to make sucessful games on the WiiU (from the second half 2013), and once developers see that their games can sell well on WiiU, regardless of how they look, they will understand that the WiiU is not underpowered.

The only reason games like the next CoD, NBA & Watch Dogs are coming to the Wii U is because they're coming to the PS360, if they were made for the PS4/Xbox Infinite then you can be sure that they wouldn't come to the Wii U, why would developers sacrifice quality/increase budgets just to release on the Wii U when the sales won't justifiy those efforts? In a few years when multiplatform games aren't being made for the PS360 then they'll also stop coming for the Wii U too.

And expecting and wanting significantly more advanced graphics from next generation consoles is not crazy thinking, it's exactly what the vast majority of people expect and want from new consoles. Also more power can help make the gameplay, load-times, & AI etc, better too. Iwata making a successful Nintendo game isn't going to encourage developers to make games for the Wii U anymore than successful Nintendo games encouraged developers to make their games for the Wii. There is no misunderstanding, developers know that they will make more money developing for PS4, Xbox Infinite & PC without having to sacrifice quality for the underpowered Wii U which wouldn't be worth it anyway as only Nintendo exclusives sell well on Nintendo consoles.

There is no big leap in graphics this time, games on PS4 will not look significantly better than on PS 3 or WiiU. There is no possibility for much better looking games, look at games like Uncharted 3 or Gears of War 3 it looks almsot as good as the reality it is not that far away from photo-realistic. How you want to make games that look better than the reality?

All games which will come out for the next generation consoles will be possible with only minor downgrades on the wii u too, the only question is if developers will see enaugh potential to sell games on the wiiu. It has to pay of for them to releas downports for wiiu.


we are no were NEAR reality. There was some article about a week or two ago that said you need about 2PETAFLOPS (or some othe rnumber cant remember) to acheive this.  It equates to 2000 gtx690 cards (so whatever the TFLOPS on this card are)


But where is the benefit of going further to photo-realistic graphics if no one will notice a real difference to the graphics like they are now already in  Ps3, Wiiu games? If you play Uncharted 3 it already looks like photo-realistic, if you play gears of War it looks like photo-realistic, parts of this games look already even better than the reality because they use brighter colors than reality do, no one except for some graphics fetishists will notice improvements  to this graphics especially when you play the game the focus is not only on the graphics.

So why someone should invest millions of dollars in development if no one will notice a real difference?

are you kidding? what they have shown from PS4 is already NOTICEABLE different than what is on PS3. Hell you can notice the difference between a game running on a high end PC than its console counterpart. (Bioshock Inifinte comes to mind)



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Hynad on 27 April 2013
g911turbo said:
chris_wing said:
The Wii U is clearly underpowered for the next generation. It literally doesn't have enough power to run full next generation engines = an underpowered next generation system. If they doubled the RAM (4GB), quadrupled the RAM's transfer rate, & doubled the CPU Core count it would be flying off the shelves since it would be clearly better then last generation & it would show in the games.
The gamepad is a huge mistake in my opinion, they would have been smart to offer a bundle with the Wiimote+ & a Pro Controller & put the money saved on the pad into making the Wii U's specs next generation ready like engine makers Epic and others pleaded for them to do.


Its obvious the PS4 is going to be more powerfull than the Wii U.  However, to say it could not run next gen engines is incorrect.  Developers are refusing to PORT their next gen engines is the more correct statement.  Right now, due to the lower than expected installed base and history of poor 3rd party sales on a nintendo console, it doesn't make financial sense for them to do so. 

I could use UE4 to render 10 polygons on screen.  It's scalable.  Engine revs are usually dependent on built in hardblocks/functions that come with chip architecture revs.  That being said, the Wii U is a newer architecture that has many of those built in mechanisms, just less of them and not as fast as Sony and MS.

Scale down UE4 to work with the Wii U's specs... And what are you left with? Barely anything different from UE3.



binary solo on 27 April 2013
benji232 said:

Nintendo president Satoru Iwata has told investors that he is aware that a large number of developers and consumers believe that the Wii U is significantly underpowered and says that this is a misunderstanding. Iwata says that Nintendo really need to remedy this idea. He also told investors that a number of third-party developers aren’t supporting the console, but he believes that once third-party developers start producing hit franchises on the Wii U then other developers will think again about developing for the platform. Iwata understands that this won’t happen overnight, but Nintendo is working on revitalising Wii U after the summer.

http://mynintendonews.com/2013/04/27/iwata-is-aware-that-people-believe-that-wii-u-is-underpowered-and-says-this-is-a-misunderstanding/

Well that there was the problem with the Wii wasn't it? The hit 3rd party franchises were no where near commensurate with the level of hardware sales (e.e. Wii has fewer million selling 3rd games than PS3, and far fewer than 360. Now with Wii U selling more like early PS3 rather than early Wii the 3rd parties are possibly looking at how their games didn't sell on Wii and thinking with a lower growth rate in install base compared to Wii it's a really risky proposition. And the party games that did so well on Wii may not do as well on WiiU.

Still there's no reason not to port PS360 games to Wii U.



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Sensei on 27 April 2013

lol

Of course it is underpowered, it barely beats 2005's Xbox 360 and 2006's PlayStation 3.

The Last of Us on PS3 will probably be more eye candy than anything on Wii U this year, this says a lot.



SoujiroNagi on 27 April 2013

Satoru Iwata... You said you listen to the Developers and said the Wii U being underpowered is a Misunderstanding..? It's 100% Fact that it is Underpowered. This guy is Delusional and is at the top of Nintendo..? Yeah they gonna have problems. Look if Nintendo don't care, the fanboys don't care, then why anyone outside them worlds care? They are happy pet them be as l get my x86 GDDR5 8gb PlayStation 4 they can have their world I'll have mines.

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Soundwave on 27 April 2013

Nintendo lives in their own bubble of self denial I think when it comes to third parties. It feels like he's been giving some variation of this same speech for like 7-8 years now. "We just need to create an environment where third parties will blah blah blah".

I don't even think deep down Iwata believes some of the stuff he says, he just says to put lipstick on the pig (that being the third situation).