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Is Nintendo even able or willing to surprise anymore?

They are not able to 105 25.30%
 
They are not willing to 65 15.66%
 
You suck, they still are 244 58.80%
 
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S.T.A.G.E. on 19 April 2013
Majora said:
S.T.A.G.E. said:
Majora said:
S.T.A.G.E. said:
ECM said:
S.T.A.G.E. said:
ECM said:
S.T.A.G.E. said:
ECM said:

It's a case of: they sell and Nintendo likes making money--glad I could crack this devilishly difficult case.

On our next exciting episode, ECM is hot on the Case of the Clueless Message Board Poster (Part MMMMMMMMMMMMMXIII).

 (In other news, when Nintendo innovates massively (see: Wii, Nintendo), they get s*** on; when they give the masses what they want they get...s*** on so please tell me why catering to what *you* consider "mind blowing" should be even a remote concern?)


LOL Nintendo hasn't had gamers and casuals alike since the mid 90's. Last gen for them was pretty much 90% casuals.

Good job--you get an A for indugling in non sequitur, now would you care to address my points?

" (In other news, when Nintendo innovates massively (see: Wii, Nintendo), they get s*** on; when they give the masses what they want they get...s*** on so please tell me why catering to what *you* consider "mind blowing" should be even a remote concern?)"

I was responding to that.

Responding to what? They innovate, 'core gamers' s*** on them; they play it safe, 'core gamers' s*** on them and your response is something about them not having core and casual at the same time since the 90s...so what? How is that germane to my comment? You're responding to an argument I'm not making or even touching upon and has **** all to do with the OP's post.

The point is, they can't win. Period. They can go out and get Bayonetta 2, but that doesn't count because it's not being made by EAD (I assume this is the argument now, since Bayo2 doesn't count)??

So as I said: you give the core gamer, allegedly, what they want--edgy, "mind blowing", etc.--but it doesn't count because, uh, well, we say it doesn't.


 Nintendo cannot win, because they do not allow themselves to. The company is run by a bunch of old men who have stagnated from being true creative types at the peak of their creative abilities in core character and game development in the 80 and early 90's. Its almost as if Miyamoto does nothing they are stuck in a rut. They need to build up some new minds and create fresh new games. Miyamoto said it himself, he cannot see himself making a game he cannot play on the couch with his family. Thats just the type of company they are. Once they free themselves from the shackles of nostalgia to Miyamotos hey-day, they will be free to go after other age groups as well as children and their respective families. Until then, enjoy the nostalgia show. All you can expect them to change is the way you play the same games. In this day and age the expectations are much higher. As I said in another post, if I was a child I would love them because thats how I fell in love with them, but as I grew older (just like with disney) I moved on. I can still come back but Nintendo isn't making strides to gain gamers like myself.

To the last sentence - I hope they never do. I still love Disney and Nintendo and some things are pure and don't need to be corrupted. Go to Sony and Xbox for your needs but leave Nintendo out of it.


LOL....Yes....so much for your thoughts because Disney bought Lucas Arts and Marvel. They are reaching out to people like myself. So much for your theory. I'll say it again...it doesn't matter what even you think of Nintendo they wont change unless their public credibility forces them to. It seems they listened to frustrations about third party core titles, but the problem is the third party titles they acquired are current gen.You might like what they do but ultimately it doesnt matter because they still did what they wanted to do. They do what they do and hope you'll accept it, plain and simple.


I don't have a theory. I have an opinion. Also LOL all you want. Nintendo DOES do what they want and I'm very happy with it.


You just proved me right. Read what I wrote...I just said the exact same thing you're saying now.



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Chrizum on 19 April 2013
Viktor said:

Actually it´s a very stupid question only a badly informed gamer can make to be honest with you. Just to name a few surprising announcements in the last two years. Obviously the deal for the Monster Hunter series on 3DS and later WiiU. Then Nintendo working with Platinum games on 2 games W101 and Bayonetta (an announcement that literary got some literary insane "they are stealing OUR games).

Early this year the announcement for Shin MegamiXFire Emblem was really out of nowhere the same goes for Monolithsofts X. To get to the last Ndirect the LttP sequel in sytle of the classic was surprising even to fans for two reasons, no one expected the announcement this early and most expected a more 3D gameplay Zelda instead of a classic one. Also the localisation of Bravely Default comes to mind when talking about surprising announcement.

I admit that my thread title was chosen poorly but I'm talking about the actual games developed by Nintendo. I don't feel surprised by them when playing them or when watching gameplay videos. This is not about announcements or business deals.



BossPuma on 19 April 2013
S.T.A.G.E. said:
BossPuma said:
Rogerioandrade said:
Sort of a naive question. Of course Nintendo can always suprise us.
Kid Icarus was a surprise. Supporting and Publishing Baoynetta 2 was a surprise. Supporting and Publishing Shin Megami Tensei x Fire Emblem was a surprise. The GamePad was a surprise.

The thing is... most people who heavily critize Nintendo never actually tried their games or products. The Gamepad is a fine example. While it´s not, in any way, revolutionary, games like ZombiU and NintendoLand showed that it really can give gamers some different and creative experiences, but people prefer the old gimmick talk instead of actually trying it.

By the way, pratically every big developer today are basing their launches of the same and same franchises, Fifa, PES, Call of Duty, Halo, Assassin´s Creed, Tekken, Street Fighter, Devil May Cry, Metal Gear Solid, Final Fantasy. Here comes another CoD, another GTA, another Battlefield......so there´s no point about arguing that Nintendo only uses the same franchises. Every company do that.


I guess it only shows that nintendo gets more hate than many other companies, for whatever reason. Sony and Microsoft never do anything different but Nintendo should be pointed out for not creating the most mind-bending designs every single time.



Sony and Microsoft dont get bitched at because their platforms are created for third party titles as well as first party most of the time. Sony fucked up with the cell and made it hard on the third parties, which is why you saw them appologizing to fans and third parties at the PS4 conference. They made up for it by making the PS4 just amazing. Read the articles, the third parties are impressed and Sony, themselves seem to be quite happy with their user-friendly console. Nintendo doesn't care what third parties think about their console, they just want their games (pay attention when I say that they dont care). This gen thats not going fly.


Are we talking about the same thing?



TheLastStarFighter on 19 April 2013

Nintendo surprises all the time. You never know what you are getting with a new game or a new system.

With existing ip's you never know what you are going to get. Even the basic game mechanics changed from Mario64 to Mario Sunshine to Mario Galaxy. Zelda ALttP2 is a shock because it's retro. Previous Zeldas on hendhelds have been toon graphics with touch controls or the recent 3D OoT. Now they switch to classic 2D style...but even that looks like it will be a new and fresh experience because of 3D imagery, and the ability to switch perspective and walk on walls. I have no idea what MarioU is going to be like, and I fully expect to be surprised.

With new IPs Nintendo gives outsanding first-time titles like Xenoblade, or all new experiences or even genres like WiiSports, or Brain Training, or Nintendogs.

In all honesty I see very little innovation or surprising in the industry outside of Nintendo, especailly at the 1st party level. MS, especially, just gives Halo 1,2,3,4.. Forza 1,2,3,4... which are essentailly improved versions of the same experience. Sony titles tend to end franchises and move on to new themes Jak-->Uncharted and so on, but as far as new genres or types of experiences there is little innovation, and from one game in the franchise to the next they are basically an improved version of the same experience.

The one knock on Nintendo is that they re-use characters in various games, but each game tends to be very different, and Nintendo tends to pioneer most new types of game experiences. I think a lot of people would like if they surprised or innovated less and would be happy without unique controls or watercolor graphics.



Chrizum on 19 April 2013
BossPuma said:
Rogerioandrade said:
Sort of a naive question. Of course Nintendo can always suprise us.
Kid Icarus was a surprise. Supporting and Publishing Baoynetta 2 was a surprise. Supporting and Publishing Shin Megami Tensei x Fire Emblem was a surprise. The GamePad was a surprise.

The thing is... most people who heavily critize Nintendo never actually tried their games or products. The Gamepad is a fine example. While it´s not, in any way, revolutionary, games like ZombiU and NintendoLand showed that it really can give gamers some different and creative experiences, but people prefer the old gimmick talk instead of actually trying it.

By the way, pratically every big developer today are basing their launches of the same and same franchises, Fifa, PES, Call of Duty, Halo, Assassin´s Creed, Tekken, Street Fighter, Devil May Cry, Metal Gear Solid, Final Fantasy. Here comes another CoD, another GTA, another Battlefield......so there´s no point about arguing that Nintendo only uses the same franchises. Every company do that.


I guess it only shows that nintendo gets more hate than many other companies, for whatever reason. Sony and Microsoft never do anything different but Nintendo should be pointed out for not creating the most mind-bending designs every single time.

Hate? That is ridiculous. If this is hating then I don't think you know what hate is. Am I not allowd to express my concern about my favorite developer? And who says anything about Sony and Microsoft? I haven't even mentioned them and I won't as this thread is about Nintendo. What Sony and Microsoft do or don't is irrelevant (and a lot less interesting to me on top of it).



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Mazty on 19 April 2013
Th3PANO said:
Mazty said:
Nintendo seems to be out of ideas, reflected in both their games and the consoles themselves. They look to be more bothered about hitting a market rather than taking a gamble and seeing what happens e.g. SotC.


you can say that after you saw Nintendo E3. not anytime sooner.


Lolwut. That makes no sense. So what about the day after E3? A week? A month? Where does your arbitrary limit lie exactly?

Anywaaaay, Nintendo seem to be out of ideas. They used a finite market to fling the wii into the stratosphere and were hoping to cultivate the same market again, which obviously wouldn't, and so far hasn't, worked. If they wanted to actually surprise people, they would have expanded their horizons beyond the same franchises they are milking so hard. 

 

S.T.A.G.E. said:

You just proved me right. Read what I wrote...I just said the exact same thing you're saying now.


L2cut quote tress please =



BossPuma on 19 April 2013
Chrizum said:
BossPuma said:
Rogerioandrade said:
Sort of a naive question. Of course Nintendo can always suprise us.
Kid Icarus was a surprise. Supporting and Publishing Baoynetta 2 was a surprise. Supporting and Publishing Shin Megami Tensei x Fire Emblem was a surprise. The GamePad was a surprise.

The thing is... most people who heavily critize Nintendo never actually tried their games or products. The Gamepad is a fine example. While it´s not, in any way, revolutionary, games like ZombiU and NintendoLand showed that it really can give gamers some different and creative experiences, but people prefer the old gimmick talk instead of actually trying it.

By the way, pratically every big developer today are basing their launches of the same and same franchises, Fifa, PES, Call of Duty, Halo, Assassin´s Creed, Tekken, Street Fighter, Devil May Cry, Metal Gear Solid, Final Fantasy. Here comes another CoD, another GTA, another Battlefield......so there´s no point about arguing that Nintendo only uses the same franchises. Every company do that.


I guess it only shows that nintendo gets more hate than many other companies, for whatever reason. Sony and Microsoft never do anything different but Nintendo should be pointed out for not creating the most mind-bending designs every single time.

Hate? That is ridiculous. If this is hating then I don't think you know what hate is. Am I not allowd to express my concern about my favorite developer? And who says anything about Sony and Microsoft? I haven't even mentioned them and I won't as this thread is about Nintendo. What Sony and Microsoft do or don't is irrelevant (and a lot less interesting to me on top of it).


I guess i should have said Nintendo is criticised more than most companies. And many people do hate Nintendo, maybe not you exactly.  I think Nintendo is totaly able to suprise everyone, have you forgotten about E3? Either Nintendo or some rumors ( i forget) said that they have some announcements that will shock everyone even more than Bayonetta 2, if thats some indication.



Rogerioandrade on 19 April 2013

Pushmo/Crashmo, Xenoblade and, in a certain way, Kid Icarus Uprising are new Ips.



animegaming on 19 April 2013

usually one thing in a nintendo direct surprises me such earlier this week with a link to the past 2 and back in january with xenoblade 2



pokoko on 19 April 2013

Well, truth be told, the longer a gaming company is in business, the more the ratio of a old IP/new IP is going to swing in the direction of the old. That's just the way it is, especially for a company like Nintendo that hangs on to established characters and franchises. You can only have so many releases a year and you have to retain a higher number of existing IP or you'll make your more casual users unhappy. A great many customers really don't want to learn new controls very often and would rather have something they can quickly and comfortably slip into.

Still, I think it would be good for Nintendo to have a new series every once in awhile that people associate with a particular console cycle, which is close to what we see with Sony. However, as Nintendo management decides things like that, rather than the developers themselves as with studios like Naughty Dog and Sony Santa Monica, that will probably never happen.