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Nem said:

Piss off Gamespot. Nintendo is the only company with balls to give fans what they want.

What other company would have the balls to grab one of their iconic franchises and bring it back to the 16 bit era gameplay. We dont get big budget classic games like that anymore. The only company that tried that in recent memory was Ubisoft with Rayman Origins.
Software developers should be more like Nintendo. This senseless hating needs to stop. Not all of us want every franchise ever revived has an FPS for next-gen consoles. Enough already.


Isn't taking that iconic franchise and bringing it back to the 16 bit era gameplay exactly match what is said? Failure to innovate and relying on nostalgia. Not that it's bad mind you, i will be picking up the game day 1 but your reasoning confused me especially having the balls to that when it's the complete opposite by playing it safe. 



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I wish they'd use some of their nostalgia on things like Advance Wars, F-Zero, Wave Race, and Star Fox. Honestly outside of Mario/Mario Kart these are my favorite Nintendo franchises.

As I said before, their IPs are selling less these days.



VGKing said:
Mr Khan said:
VGKing said:
mushroomboy5 said:
I'm pretty sure Nintendo are aware of what they could be doing in order to stay relevant, but they can't just pull 100 original new triple a ip's out of their asses just like that.

Here's a thought, start off with just 1. Miyamoto doesn't have to be the one to create it, there are other talented developers out there. Here's a crazy idea, why doesn't Nintendo create a Western studio? Create an action adventure or shooter. 

Nintendo did actually wound down one of their western studios (Nintendo Software Technology, which hasn't done a major project since Metroid Prime Hunters in 2006), while Retro remains an unknown.

Didn't realize Retro was a western studio. In fact, I'm not really that familiar with Nintendo studios in general. I have no idea who makes what.

I don't know anything about Sony in details, but, I tend to agree with anything negative about them.

It's just opinions, man. Don't hang me for it.



The guys bring up a great point. Nintendo doesn't seem to follow the older gamers who grew up with their consoles. The ones who like Nintendos product will buy it but Nintendo isnt making great strides to create newer and more mature characters for people who grew up with them. These guys made that point and its always been my point. They don't care about me as a gamer in most cases but some of their games are still fun in a "sit on the couch" kind of way.

When they are talking about innovating, everyone unless you've been living under a rock knows Nintendo has been an innovator since the beginning. The problem therein when you rephrase to properly is that they are really not making new games to test their new hardware. They aren't thinking about the art of creating, just the technicality and that makes it look like a machine-like product rather than a fresh and new ooooohh and ahh type concept. Sure, once and a while you can use gimmicks like the wii and make people go gaga for a while but the fanfare for that will burn out quickly just like the Wii did after four years.

Someone must ask themselves why is the PS3 and Xbox 360 sold less yet have a more stable audience between them than the Wii? Why do they have more utility?

Nintendo needs to think about these things and see that the trends are changing.

The guys said it best that Nintendo does from the outside looks like they are doing the same thing when the inner parts are different. They need an image change so they can gain new older gamers instead of just an audience of nostalgic gamers. Everyone knows Nintendo targets the younger generation but in this day and age when they stuck in a rut they need the older gamers who grew up with their consoles and have turned their backs because Nintendo turned their backs on them.



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Gamespot = Sinking ship.



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Lawlight said:
As I said before, their IPs are selling less these days.


Actually, for the most party their franchises have been selling more. Over the last 6 years Nintendo has seen more success than at any point in the past in terms of how high their franchises have been selling.



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Jumpin said:
Lawlight said:
As I said before, their IPs are selling less these days.


Actually, for the most party their franchises have been selling more. Over the last 6 years Nintendo has seen more success than at any point in the past in terms of how high their franchises have been selling.

 

IPs whose sales are lower now than the previous gen:

Brain Age

Nintendogs

NSMB

Mario Kart

Luigi's Mansion

Paper Mario

Mario Tennis



Nintendo continually innovate within the confines of their intellectual property, they innovate with new IP--but they are guilty in some cases, of trading on nostalgia and not doing enough to shake up long-standing series.

Do I think it's as big a problem as GameSpot make out? No--but this question surfaces every year, every console generation, and sometimes it surfaces more visibly than it has before. But would I like to see a new EAD IP with the budget, design quality and marketing budget of a top-tier Nintendo effort? Sure. It's not as simple as one extreme or another.



Nem said:

Piss off Gamespot. Nintendo is the only company with balls to give fans what they want.

What other company would have the balls to grab one of their iconic franchises and bring it back to the 16 bit era gameplay. We dont get big budget classic games like that anymore. The only company that tried that in recent memory was Ubisoft with Rayman Origins.
Software developers should be more like Nintendo. This senseless hating needs to stop. Not all of us want every franchise ever revived has an FPS for next-gen consoles. Enough already.


Rephrase that...Nintendo doesn't give the fans what they want, you just so happen to like what they deliver, plain and simple. I grew out of Nintendo, so speak for yourself. Nintendo has an old fashioned stance that you market new games around the same old characters in a spin dry fashion. No new characters, just nostalgia for days. They are there for you in childhood, but they dont follow you into adulthood with their offerings. Most Nintendo fans like the product so they stick with it because they know its never going to change and thats comforting. To gamers like me, change is a good thing and sometimes franchises must go for new ones to be invented and set a newer standard. Nintendo is after the newer generation of gamers. If I was the age I was when I got my first Nintendo console I would be going gaga over it as well. 

Enjoy Nintenod products, but to say they give the fans what they want is definitely a strong opinion I am willing to dispute. Nintendo is an old fashioned company that does what Nintendo wants.

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Nintendo die hards can refute what is true, remember this. At one point in time a great portion of people here were Nintendo fans and grew up with Nintendo. Theres a reason we grew out of it. I completely agree with Gamespot. Theres is something wrong with Nintendos broad outlook when it comes to dedicated gamers outside of their first party and for the growing serious gamers in their first party.