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Soma said:
Is there a way to count vote for vote? From what I've heard, the votes in Venezuela are electronic, and a ticket is given to each people. To count every vote would you need every person to show his ticket and count them one by one? Because if there was fraud I doubt what's in the computers will be reliable.

No, the tickets are not given to the people, when you get to the place you show your I.D. then they open the machine for you, once you chose your option and vote, the machine gives you the ticket and you inmediatly deposit it in the votation urn, then you proceed to sing and put your fingerprint on a electoral notebook, The only votes counted are the ones sent by the machine via the government's network to the council -- Now, what could happen (and has) is that someone, anyone, steal votes by just opening and re-opening and pressing the button in the machine over and over- that's why there are ''witnesses'' from each party -- now Capriles claims (actually everyone saw...) that a lot of his party's witnesses were taken out of the voting centers by armed people and the National Guard (which only purpose is to act in THESE situations) didn't stop them, aside from a lot of other stuff like for example, there's a place, a ''table'', where according to them there are only 520 people registered by the council yet they got 722 votes from that ''table'' so go figure... and more and more things that shouldn't have happened but i don't want to make it longer. They (Capriles) say that according to their numbers they still won by a very small margin and -quote:''if we take the votes that were affected by the more than 3000 reported irregularities then the margin should be much bigger''-- what he asks is a manual count, which is done by taking 3 things:

-The Acts: where is the number of voters registered to each table, no exeptions -- You can't vote if you are not registered.

-The Tickets: These are only ''proof'', the only tangible evidence that you voted and they show only the option you did choose.

-The ''Notebooks'': Here is the signature and fingerprint of every single person who voted -- You can only sing after you voted.

how you do the count? the acts have the total number of voters per table, the tickets are the total number of votes made effective by the machines and the notebooks are the proof that ''THIS person, who belongs to THIS table voted, ONCE.'' if you compare the total tickets, with the total signatures and fingerprints, with the ID numbers of the people in the acts, they should match the same exact number of votes the machines emited, if they do not there was an electoral fraud.



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morenoingrato said:
jonnybmk said:
South America is an effed up place. It's like caveman mixed with third world mixed with drug lords mixed with people on the internet.

Reported.

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Slightly off-topic, but am I the only Latin American who is content with his president? I know he is a mess sometimes, but the way Correa pushes for government paid scholarships is a godsend for someone like me.

Probably yes... Our president is a big arrogant joke... If you have time this is a good read: http://www.nacion.com/2013-04-16/ElPais/La-carretera-San-Jose-San-Ramon--encerro-a-la-presidenta-en-su-silencio.aspx

Spanish sorry..



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morenoingrato said:
jonnybmk said:
South America is an effed up place. It's like caveman mixed with third world mixed with drug lords mixed with people on the internet.

Reported.

....

Slightly off-topic, but am I the only Latin American who is content with his president? I know he is a mess sometimes, but the way Correa pushes for government paid scholarships is a godsend for someone like me.

 

Pretty much, you don't seem to know what you are saying. You are from Ecuador and let me tell you something, you people out there can only see what our goverment want you to see... You want the truth? They are hunting our leaders just because they are asking for a Recount, does it seem like a godsend to you? Capriles has been threatened by Maduro, sendin his people to attack his house. IF something happens to Capriles I'll let you know something... There will be blood no matter what and Maduro will fall to our fury since Capriles will not be there to tell us to calm down anymore. 

Capriles got Imprisioned? Ok, let the fury begin.

Capriles got beaten? Maduro would suffer the same fate.

Capriles got killed? You can visit Maduro at the morgue.

If they are using violence, don't expect us to take many hits from them.

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Here, read these( Spanish)

Henrique Capriles: Quieren ir a tomar la residencia oficial de la gobernación de Miranda

La olla la esta montando el gobierno, esta noche ordenando a grupos armados a ponerse franelas nuestras y generar violencia Leopoldo Lopez: No es un rumor! Mis fuentes me confirman q estan emitidas ordenes contra mi y Denuncio ante el pais y el mundo esta persecucion!

 

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NeroPrototype said:

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Entiendo lo que quieres decir, y talvez no fui muy claro, mis palabras debieron haber sido: "Soy el unico latinoamericano que no tiene un presidente tan malo?"

I've been following the news and this thread very closely, and I know full well of the situation in Venezuela and the obvious fraud in the elections and the oppression by Maduro. I was not criticizing you, on the contrary, I agree with all of your points in this thread, I was only saying that I am happy with my president.



morenoingrato said:
NeroPrototype said:

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Entiendo lo que quieres decir, y talvez no fui muy claro, mis palabras debieron haber sido: "Soy el unico latinoamericano que no tiene un presidente tan malo?"

I've been following the news and this thread very closely, and I know full well of the situation in Venezuela and the obvious fraud in the elections and the oppression by Maduro. I was not criticizing you, on the contrary, I agree with all of your points in this thread, I was only saying that I am happy with my president.

I get what you are saying now.



 

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Busted said:
Soma said:
Is there a way to count vote for vote? From what I've heard, the votes in Venezuela are electronic, and a ticket is given to each people. To count every vote would you need every person to show his ticket and count them one by one? Because if there was fraud I doubt what's in the computers will be reliable.

No, the tickets are not given to the people, when you get to the place you show your I.D. then they open the machine for you, once you chose your option and vote, the machine gives you the ticket and you inmediatly deposit it in the votation urn, then you proceed to sing and put your fingerprint on a electoral notebook, The only votes counted are the ones sent by the machine via the government's network to the council -- Now, what could happen (and has) is that someone, anyone, steal votes by just opening and re-opening and pressing the button in the machine over and over- that's why there are ''witnesses'' from each party -- now Capriles claims (actually everyone saw...) that a lot of his party's witnesses were taken out of the voting centers by armed people and the National Guard (which only purpose is to act in THESE situations) didn't stop them, aside from a lot of other stuff like for example, there's a place, a ''table'', where according to them there are only 520 people registered by the council yet they got 722 votes from that ''table'' so go figure... and more and more things that shouldn't have happened but i don't want to make it longer. They (Capriles) say that according to their numbers they still won by a very small margin and -quote:''if we take the votes that were affected by the more than 3000 reported irregularities then the margin should be much bigger''-- what he asks is a manual count, which is done by taking 3 things:

-The Acts: where is the number of voters registered to each table, no exeptions -- You can't vote if you are not registered.

-The Tickets: These are only ''proof'', the only tangible evidence that you voted and they show only the option you did choose.

-The ''Notebooks'': Here is the signature and fingerprint of every single person who voted -- You can only sing after you voted.

how you do the count? the acts have the total number of voters per table, the tickets are the total number of votes made effective by the machines and the notebooks are the proof that ''THIS person, who belongs to THIS table voted, ONCE.'' if you compare the total tickets, with the total signatures and fingerprints, with the ID numbers of the people in the acts, they should match the same exact number of votes the machines emited, if they do not there was an electoral fraud.


ok, problem is the government controls all this, don't they? Are they're going to accept a manual recount? Another question, weren't there international observers? Did another country reported  irregularities like Capriles is saying?



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As Capriles was already involved in a coup against Chavez and Maduro by far has not the same standing as Chavez had, I really think Capriles will successful take the power by violence.



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Interesting. The Konrad-Adenauer-Stiftung (that is a think-tank of our german conservative party and tends to be more supportive for opposition to Chavez/PSUV) has analyzed the current situation in Venezuela. They say Maduro first spoke about recount, then Capriles joined into this demand. They say, that the institutions of control, including a manual recount that is normal for more than 50% of votes anyway make a systematic fraud big enough to change the result unlikely. They say, the main reason for Capriles to attack the result of the election is to weaken the government of Maduro from the beginning.
http://www.kas.de/venezuela/de/publications/34075/ (sorry, in german)

Anyway, I'm personally not so positive about this. As Capriles joined the coup in 2002 I think he is willing to use violence to get to the power.

Don't get me wrong. I don't think Maduro is the right man for Venezuela, he is as bad as Capriles. Venezuela will face tough times in the future, regardless which side will be in control.



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