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Soma said:

ok, problem is the government controls all this, don't they? Are they're going to accept a manual recount? Another question, weren't there international observers? Did another country reported  irregularities like Capriles is saying?

Yes, of course not, yes they were and the ones who don't get Venezuelan's oil for free like Ecuador, Argentina, Bolivia, just to put examples, but they were in ''key'' voting centers and those were not attacked they're not that stupid, yet they of course are in favor of a recount.

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Mnementh said:
Interesting. The Konrad-Adenauer-Stiftung (that is a think-tank of our german conservative party and tends to be more supportive for opposition to Chavez/PSUV) has analyzed the current situation in Venezuela. They say Maduro first spoke about recount, then Capriles joined into this demand. They say, that the institutions of control, including a manual recount that is normal for more than 50% of votes anyway make a systematic fraud big enough to change the result unlikely. They say, the main reason for Capriles to attack the result of the election is to weaken the government of Maduro from the beginning.
http://www.kas.de/venezuela/de/publications/34075/ (sorry, in german)

Anyway, I'm personally not so positive about this. As Capriles joined the coup in 2002 I think he is willing to use violence to get to the power.

Don't get me wrong. I don't think Maduro is the right man for Venezuela, he is as bad as Capriles. Venezuela will face tough times in the future, regardless which side will be in control.

They (Capriles and Maduro) spoke before the results were revealed and they say (Maduro said it in his first spech, it's recorded) that they both agreed to do a recount, then Maduro comes out the other day with a totally different spech and says that he's ''not going to loose more time'' and by any means is going to do a recount -- then the boy sends the National guard to attack unnarmed civilians, and his bikers to destroy private (and public) property, says that ''No matter what i'm not going to let them get into Caracas (center)'' when Capriles had announced a march to the council to ask for a recount (and Chavez NEVER prohibited any march to the opposition or said they couldn't get to a certain point), says to the media ''Pick on which side you are and don't get it wrong...'', says he's going to ''radicalize'' the revolution if nescesaty and that he's gonna kill the coup pepetrators and fascists with the power of the revolution and makes the 6th ''control Judge'' emit a capture order against Governor Capriles and his ally Lopez for terrorism. Listen, a man who speaks with hatred every single time can not be leader of any country -- Capriles did a great job as governor until the governmet said they were not giving him more resources, here in Venezuela we're not in a position to pick the best option but the less bad and that is Capriles, he made almost a million of Chavez's supporters vote for him and i have no doubt he won the elections if this wasn't the case Maduro would not be so afraid, he made it clear yesterday that he lost, he attacks because that's what happens he is afraid and attacks us but we will stand still and the truth will be revealed.



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Mnementh said:
Interesting. The Konrad-Adenauer-Stiftung (that is a think-tank of our german conservative party and tends to be more supportive for opposition to Chavez/PSUV) has analyzed the current situation in Venezuela. They say Maduro first spoke about recount, then Capriles joined into this demand. They say, that the institutions of control, including a manual recount that is normal for more than 50% of votes anyway make a systematic fraud big enough to change the result unlikely. They say, the main reason for Capriles to attack the result of the election is to weaken the government of Maduro from the beginning.
http://www.kas.de/venezuela/de/publications/34075/ (sorry, in german)

Anyway, I'm personally not so positive about this. As Capriles joined the coup in 2002 I think he is willing to use violence to get to the power.

Don't get me wrong. I don't think Maduro is the right man for Venezuela, he is as bad as Capriles. Venezuela will face tough times in the future, regardless which side will be in control.

Maybe they are right, but I will defend Capriles saying that he's not using the Violence right now, and he never did. People are taking the street because they want and I'm one of those persons... Maduro's goverment is already broken and weak, even "his" people are standin' against him asking for a recount.

 

Dark_Lord:

It's not about who's right and who's not, Venezuela has been abused by those bastard for 14 years now and enough is enough... I'm not saying that Capriles is the way to make Venezuela a perfect place, if he fails us he will run the same fate as this goverment... and he knows that. 



 

NeroPrototype said:
Were are you from? Venezuela? Nope? Oh right, I live here and I fight everyday. THEY Said there won't be violence 14 years ago... and here we are left with one of the most dangerous countries in the world. Just watch Maduro speaking, almost always you will see an iPAD right beside him(CofcoffucktheIMPERIALISTcofcof RIGHT?!). Capriles has plans for everything, economy, violence, union. Even at this moment when we are all angry and fightin' he told US to keep calm, HE TOLD US that Violence is not the way, and the ones that are killin' people are the ones that belong to an organitation called "Tupamaros" and Chavistas they are oficialist, and Maduro is doing nothing against them. So where are you from again? If you tell me that you are a Venezuelan livin' in United Kingdom, THE JOKE IS ON YOU. Why aren't you here with us but instead you are livin' well outside.

Nope i was born in London and still live there. And life isn't that great here, since the recession. I'm probably right that it's still better in the UK though, i just hate my government and what it stands for. But as an outsider, there's something i don't like about Henrique Capriles, he just seems like he's hiding something behind that grin. But if i know anything, maybe the PSUV need some time out, it don't matter what ideology a party is. The power corrupts them, that is very evident with China and possibly your country. But if Capriles has such good policies, list them. I'm interested. 



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osed125 said:
You are probably one of the most ignorant person on this forum. If you don't live there or have lived there, you don't have any rights to comment on the specifics, I think you should educate yourself first.

Well this is a way of learning about Venezuela. Despite, what i said i'm actually interested in learning about the country. 



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Busted said:

I would love to discuss with you about ''the old Venezuela'' but the actual old one, and talk about Lopez Contreras, Medina Angarita, Perez Jimenez, Leoni, CAP, Caldera, etc. but i will not do it for my own reasons, instead i'm going to show you something implying that i know of course that every country has good and bad times...

This picture represents all that Venezuela was in the 50', everything you see on it. (SG Royal ST. Caracas, 1954)

 

This is the same place today, just like the previous one, this picture represents a lot of what Venezuela is today.

And that's all im gonna say.

It don't look horrible today but Venezuela has seen better days. That older picture does remind of America in the 50's though. But, i don't think you can completely blame it on the socialists. As far as i know, Venezuela's economy is heavily reliant on money made from oil (a bit like Saudi Arabia, Kuwait and UAE today) and if there are problems with the price of the oil, then it will probably screw the rest of venezuela's economy. 



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This video is one the worst...the military beating people, and they didn't do anything...



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osed125 said:

This video is one the worst...the military beating people, and they didn't do anything...


I saw it yesterday, god they were screaming and It almost made my head explode.



 

so it's true that there will be a recount? That's good news isn't it! The problem is the government is still in control and there may be a fraud in it? Is it possible?



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