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oniyide said:
yes, but to be fair their are only a few franchises i actually look forward to anyway. IMHO their hardware is pretty bland. There is nothing on a ninty console, usually, that could not be replicated on another system.


Honestly, they are much better than MS and Sony on that front.



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Part of the appeal of Nintendo games is that they're only available on Nintendo platforms. Nintendo games going multiplatform would be the worst thing to happen to Nintendo and the they should avoid it.



Screamapillar said:
AnthonyW86 said:

Just to clarify though, i think they could actually do both. They could release software on any platform and still release pieces of hardware if they have a really good idea for it. The Wii would still have sold 70m-80m atleast even if Nintendo games hade not been exclusive to the system, it was the motion controlls that made the most sales. Wii did not compete with PS3 and X360 directly for the most part.

And that's what is going wrong with the Wii-U, they hade to release a new system because the old one wasn't selling anymore. Why? They could just have released software on PS4 and next xbox, Ipad etc. and would still have sold loads of software. Then maybe in a few years if they hade another great idea, they could have released a new system, or an add-on for the other systems.


Are you serious?  No.  Absolutely not.

SSBB, Galaxy 1 & 2, Wii Fit, Zelda, Mario Kart, and Wii Sports are why Wii sold in such high numbers.  You're severely undervaluing the effect of first-party software if you think Wii would have sold without first-party exclusives.  Motion controls helped, but they were merely a tool in which to play attractive software you couldn't get anywhere else.  Without the games to make use of it,  the Wii Remote and balance board were merely expensive paper weights.

You don't get it, i'm saying they could still have released the Wii including Wii sports and Wii Fit, that's why i said if they have a good idea for new hardware witch is not available on other systems they should release it themselves. And they could also still have released SSBB, Zelda etc. for Wii, just also release Mario, Zelda games for other platforms. And when a system stops selling like the Wii they shouldn't be forced to release a new system just to be able to keep selling software.

And you are severely understemating how many people bought a Wii just for the motion controls, atleast 60m-70m of the 100m Wii are from casuals buying it for Wii bowling and such. And games like Mario Kart sold an incredible amount because of that large install base, how much more would it have sold if it was also released on PS3 and X360? I would have definitely bought it. But i didn't want to buy a Wii just for one or two Nintendo games i really like. How much do you think Mario Kart would have sold if they hade released it on PS2? Yeah, a lot. Maybe even more than Mario Kart Wii sold.

Again the point is if Nintendo keeps their software exclusive on their own platforms, they are forced to release new platforms(including the necesarry investments and risks) just to be able to sell software.



AnthonyW86 said:
Screamapillar said:
AnthonyW86 said:

Just to clarify though, i think they could actually do both. They could release software on any platform and still release pieces of hardware if they have a really good idea for it. The Wii would still have sold 70m-80m atleast even if Nintendo games hade not been exclusive to the system, it was the motion controlls that made the most sales. Wii did not compete with PS3 and X360 directly for the most part.

And that's what is going wrong with the Wii-U, they hade to release a new system because the old one wasn't selling anymore. Why? They could just have released software on PS4 and next xbox, Ipad etc. and would still have sold loads of software. Then maybe in a few years if they hade another great idea, they could have released a new system, or an add-on for the other systems.


Are you serious?  No.  Absolutely not.

SSBB, Galaxy 1 & 2, Wii Fit, Zelda, Mario Kart, and Wii Sports are why Wii sold in such high numbers.  You're severely undervaluing the effect of first-party software if you think Wii would have sold without first-party exclusives.  Motion controls helped, but they were merely a tool in which to play attractive software you couldn't get anywhere else.  Without the games to make use of it,  the Wii Remote and balance board were merely expensive paper weights.

You don't get it, i'm saying they could still have released the Wii including Wii sports and Wii Fit, that's why i said if they have a good idea for new hardware witch is not available on other systems they should release it themselves. And they could also still have released SSBB, Zelda etc. for Wii, just also release Mario, Zelda games for other platforms. And when a system stops selling like the Wii they shouldn't be forced to release a new system just to be able to keep selling software.

And you are severely understemating how many people bought a Wii just for the motion controls, atleast 60m-70m of the 100m Wii are from casuals buying it for Wii bowling and such. And games like Mario Kart sold an incredible amount because of that large install base, how much more would it have sold if it was also released on PS3 and X360? I would have definitely bought it. But i didn't want to buy a Wii just for one or two Nintendo games i really like. How much do you think Mario Kart would have sold if they hade released it on PS2? Yeah, a lot. Maybe even more than Mario Kart Wii sold.

Again the point is if Nintendo keeps their software exclusive on their own platforms, they are forced to release new platforms(including the necesarry investments and risks) just to be able to sell software.

I don't really understand why you feel Nintendo is a special case when Sony and Microsoft are not. They are all first-party platform holders that provide their consoles with high-profile first-party games that set their consoles apart from one another.  I don't see why you think Nintendo games would be more successful on competitors platforms.  If anything, the opposite is true, as it's generally accepted by most people that the audience for Nintendo games is relatively unique in that they are less interested in FPS and sports titles than Playstation and Xbox players.   So games like Mario Kart and Zelda would actually sell less on other platforms, and in addition, Nintendo's own consoles would at the same time also lose their own competitive advantage.  So it just doesn't seem to make much sense.   Think of it this way:  SEGA games like Sonic and Monkey Ball sell better on Nintendo platforms than on Playstation and Xbox.  Certain SEGA properties share similarities with Nintendo's own games and they appeal to the same audience.   There's lots of overlap there.   I'm not sure there is nearly as much overlap for Zelda or Mario Kart appealing to fans of Halo or Uncharted.



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They would still have to take the time to learn how to use new hardware. They would also be under the mercy of the hardware and instead of designing their hardware around the games, they would have to design their games around the hardware. Of the 3 companies, Nintendo is the only company that would actually do worse if they went 3rd party. Sony could do just as well making games on the wiiU and 720, and microsoft could do just as well on the wiiU and ps4. Nintendo would be better off not making console games and sticking with handheld games if they were to not make home consoles.



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dahuman said:
oniyide said:
yes, but to be fair their are only a few franchises i actually look forward to anyway. IMHO their hardware is pretty bland. There is nothing on a ninty console, usually, that could not be replicated on another system.


Honestly, they are much better than MS and Sony on that front.

No they really are not, especially after the last 2 and WIi U is heading that way. ITs going to be weaker than PS4 720 and not have anything to compensate except for that controller with a screen which could be replicated (and is) being replicated at least by Sony. Wii was much weaker than PS360 and they ended up getting their own motion devices anyway, which some would argue is better. GC was more powerful than PS2, but wasnt more than xbox and didnt have DVD playback or internet.

Unless you are talking about hardware realiabily then i concur, but that doesnt have much to do with software anyway.



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I wouldn't as their games rely on their hardware.

The best thing for Nintendo is to adopt the hardware with western world in mind also. i.e. do their crazy thing but also give specs that will make western devs happy.

What I would have done is released hardware with the specs of a PS4 but with two gamepad support out of the gate. Then sell it at a $200 loss (they can afford to do it atm). This would put pressure on Sony and Microsoft to keep their prices down too and it would make it interesting to see how Sony could afford to have such a loss.



 

 

Cobretti2 said:
I wouldn't as their games rely on their hardware.

The best thing for Nintendo is to adopt the hardware with western world in mind also. i.e. do their crazy thing but also give specs that will make western devs happy.

What I would have done is released hardware with the specs of a PS4 but with two gamepad support out of the gate. Then sell it at a $200 loss (they can afford to do it atm). This would put pressure on Sony and Microsoft to keep their prices down too and it would make it interesting to see how Sony could afford to have such a loss.

I am glad that you're not in charge of Nintendo.



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