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ethomaz said:
gooch_destroyer said:
he didn't confirm or deny anything so....

Buy are they need confirm or deny? I don't think so.


MS will not confirm or deny because they have not announce anything yet.  People keep saying that MS not saying anything is confirmation that all rumors are true but MS never confirm or deny any rumors and they will definitely not make any statements until they actually annouce the console.  Right now, the nextbox does not exist as far as MS is concerned.



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Adinnieken said:
Subie_Greg said:

You can argue/defend this till your fingers bleed. 

You have almost 12 months of rumors from sources saying always connected... not always on. You don't need to explain the difference between the two. Most of the "leaks" have pointed out the required connection for the Next Box. It's not as if these sources over the last 12 months simply confused the Always On to mean Required Internet Connection. Whether it's was something Microsoft was thinking about, then later got rid off... or will go through with is unknown as of right now.

Do I think Microsoft will do this? No. I think it is such a bad move that they couldn't possibly go through with it. But that thinking doesn't discredit all those many sources over the last 12 months. Yours doesn't either.

It's the same DRM that exists with the Xbox 360. 

No, you have speculation.  You don't have credible sources.  The most credible source there has been for the next Xbox has been Super DaE and even HE has refuted the notion that it required an Online connection for DRM.  The rest are anonymous sources unable to provide evidence or proof.

Again.  Your sources for the original rumor is Stephen Totillo at Kotaku.  He speculates that DRM would be always online.  That's in 25, January, 2012.  It isn't until 3, February, 2013 that The Edge staff through a "credible source" confirms that the next Xbox requires an always online connection for DRM.  No proof or evidence is given, just confirmation of an unsubstantiated rumor originally incepted by Stephen Totillo.  A few months later, you have Kotaku using additional "credible sources" to support the very rumor they began.

Yet all through this, you have a credible source, since everything he has produced has been 100% accurate so far, saying he saw no evidence of always online DRM, as well as several other anonymous sources currently working on games for the system saying the same thing. 

You can't have two camps saying two different things.  One is right and one is wrong. 

I will also chime in that if MS send a development system to a developer and for them to do anything on it, it must be connected to the internet sounds like a pretty good DRM measure from MS to ensure that their system remains in the hands they send it to.  Does this mean that this will be a consumer part of the console, I think not.  I have heard that this is something people have experience with the development system but there is no confirmation of it being in the consumer version.  Also by this time, I am sure if this was going to be a consumer feature we would have seen documentation on it by now since everything else leaks these days.  The only info we have is that someone tried to do something offline on the dev system and could not.

I think everyone is pretty confident that the PS4 and the nextBox will always be on and always be connected to the internet.  Sony pretty much already confirmed this point but also stated there will be an offline mode (they did not give any details on what it will be).

MS hasn't made any statements because they have not revealed their console so silence does not mean anything is true it just means MS has nothing to say until they reveal the nextbox.



gooch_destroyer said:
JayWood2010 said:
gooch_destroyer said:
teigaga said:
"It will take a lot more than this "fiasco" to get me to switch to the PS4."

Ewww, Microsoft has loyal fans? Why?

I guess they must really like Halo and Gears.


yeah, you know and others...with guns.

1 Call of Duty: Modern Warfare 3 PS3 2011 Shooter Activision 5.46 4.70 0.47 2.02 12.65
2 Call of Duty: Black Ops PS3 2010 Shooter Activision 5.67 3.96 0.47 1.79 11.89
3 Call of Duty: Modern Warfare 2 PS3 2009 Shooter Activision 4.85 3.36 0.38 1.53 10.13
4 Call of Duty: Black Ops II PS3 2012 Shooter Activision 4.21 3.69 0.44 1.57 9.91
5 Grand Theft Auto IV PS3 2008 Action Take-Two Interactive 4.39 3.38 0.39 1.50 9.66

And PS3 gamers dont like guns?


...I don't. not as much as those guys

But it destroys your argument, no matter what you play ;)



Lawlight said:
If it truly wasn't online only, they would have made a comment about how they think 'always online' is anti-consumerist.

No.

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S.T.A.G.E. said:
I must say Microsoft hires great people who know how to clear up shitstorms. Rarely do you ever catch them in one.


Actually its policy for no employee to speak about anything MS, partners or competitors related as it is something that will get you instantly fired.  I worked for MS in the past and the policy back then was pretty iron clad so I doubt anything has changed.  If MS did not fire Orth then you can believe there will be a media black out from the guy and some type of displanary action held.  You will not see another comment from Mr. Orth for probably as long as he remains at MS.  I am sure his twitter account isnt locked because he choose to do it but MS demanded he do it.



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Machiavellian said:
S.T.A.G.E. said:
I must say Microsoft hires great people who know how to clear up shitstorms. Rarely do you ever catch them in one.


Actually its policy for no employee to speak about anything MS, partners or competitors related as it is something that will get you instantly fired.  I worked for MS in the past and the policy back then was pretty iron clad so I doubt anything has changed.  If MS did not fire Orth then you can believe there will be a media black out from the guy and some type of displanary action held.  You will not see another comment from Mr. Orth for probably as long as he remains at MS.  I am sure his twitter account isnt locked because he choose to do it but MS demanded he do it.


I know that but everytime Microsoft has gotten into shit this gen they clear it up quickly so it doesn't spread. Sony lets the shit storm pass so eventually it tarnishes the brand.



Seems he's fired



Good statement, he apologises without giving things away which is the best he could have done.



 

Here lies the dearly departed Nintendomination Thread.

We already have 10 threads on this guy, so i'll just post this here.

Sources are telling 4Player that Adam Orth is no longer working for Microsoft. Currently tracking this down further...

...we've confirmed this with one reliable source but not two, and Orth's linkedin has currently shown no movement. We're considering this a high possibility but it currently lacks enough verification for us to confirm at this time.

http://4playernetwork.com/blog/2013/04/adam-orth-article/



Nsanity said:

We already have 10 threads on this guy, so i'll just post this here.

Sources are telling 4Player that Adam Orth is no longer working for Microsoft. Currently tracking this down further...

...we've confirmed this with one reliable source but not two, and Orth's linkedin has currently shown no movement. We're considering this a high possibility but it currently lacks enough verification for us to confirm at this time.

http://4playernetwork.com/blog/2013/04/adam-orth-article/


Well from my time with MS, I would be shocked if he actually kept his job.  Being a director could soften the blow but also being a director means you know better so the hammer probably comes down harder.  I am sure this whole incident went straight to Balmer and that would never be a good thing.  Even worst this whole incident went national where average gamers would read such stuff so its not small matter.