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VGKing said:
walsufnir said:
VGKing said:
Argh_College said:
i dont like the idea mas its all about the games, show me great games and i dont care if its allwways online oggline or cookies i just want great games to play, i have a internet conection that handles pretty well my 360.

So you really don't care of the console has DRM? 
Yes, it is about the games and the most popular games will be available on the more consumer-friendly PS4.

Its funny how no one has complained about Microsoft buying Pando Media Booster. This is basically spyware that eats up your bandwidth and it will most likely be installe with every Xbox 720.

Any proof for this? 

While a business website reporting that Pando was purchased by Microsoft is likely reliable, any statements they make about gaming should likely be taken entirely as rumor. While the article does say the software is planned to be used in the next-gen Xbox, how can we know for sure before Microsoft has even unveiled the thing? Maybe Microsoft just wanted Pando's patents for peer-to-peer transfer. Maybe it's nothing at all.

 

So you turn this automatically into sth. bad and even say "most likely be installed" while the article does not. Thanks for clearing that.



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I really, really don't Microsoft is this dense and blind to pull something like this off. Customer loyalty to the 360 is strong but I don't think it is strong enough to compete against a machine with similar specs that offers free online (i think it's confirmed) AND offline gaming AKA the PS4. That's just my opinion and I could be terribly wrong, maybe they got an ace in the hole that will make the 720 so awesome that "always-on" won't even matter.



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walsufnir said:
VGKing said:
walsufnir said:
VGKing said:
Argh_College said:
i dont like the idea mas its all about the games, show me great games and i dont care if its allwways online oggline or cookies i just want great games to play, i have a internet conection that handles pretty well my 360.

So you really don't care of the console has DRM? 
Yes, it is about the games and the most popular games will be available on the more consumer-friendly PS4.

Its funny how no one has complained about Microsoft buying Pando Media Booster. This is basically spyware that eats up your bandwidth and it will most likely be installe with every Xbox 720.

Any proof for this? 

While a business website reporting that Pando was purchased by Microsoft is likely reliable, any statements they make about gaming should likely be taken entirely as rumor. While the article does say the software is planned to be used in the next-gen Xbox, how can we know for sure before Microsoft has even unveiled the thing? Maybe Microsoft just wanted Pando's patents for peer-to-peer transfer. Maybe it's nothing at all.

 

So you turn this automatically into sth. bad and even say "most likely be installed" while the article does not. Thanks for clearing that.

STH? Huh? We're not texting buddies, stop with the weird acronyms.

This is rumor of course. If they decide to install it on every Xbox, we wont' know for some time. Probably until someone hacks the damn thing.



VGKing said:
walsufnir said:
VGKing said:
walsufnir said:
VGKing said:
Argh_College said:
i dont like the idea mas its all about the games, show me great games and i dont care if its allwways online oggline or cookies i just want great games to play, i have a internet conection that handles pretty well my 360.

So you really don't care of the console has DRM? 
Yes, it is about the games and the most popular games will be available on the more consumer-friendly PS4.

Its funny how no one has complained about Microsoft buying Pando Media Booster. This is basically spyware that eats up your bandwidth and it will most likely be installe with every Xbox 720.

Any proof for this? 

While a business website reporting that Pando was purchased by Microsoft is likely reliable, any statements they make about gaming should likely be taken entirely as rumor. While the article does say the software is planned to be used in the next-gen Xbox, how can we know for sure before Microsoft has even unveiled the thing? Maybe Microsoft just wanted Pando's patents for peer-to-peer transfer. Maybe it's nothing at all.

 

So you turn this automatically into sth. bad and even say "most likely be installed" while the article does not. Thanks for clearing that.

This is rumor of course. If they decide to install it on every Xbox, we wont' know for some time. Probably until someone hacks the damn thing.

just say you chose thewrong words initially. andwhy would someone have to hack it? there are people like me who are  able to use  a network sniffer...



walsufnir said:
VGKing said:
walsufnir said:
VGKing said:
walsufnir said:
VGKing said:
Argh_College said:
i dont like the idea mas its all about the games, show me great games and i dont care if its allwways online oggline or cookies i just want great games to play, i have a internet conection that handles pretty well my 360.

So you really don't care of the console has DRM? 
Yes, it is about the games and the most popular games will be available on the more consumer-friendly PS4.

Its funny how no one has complained about Microsoft buying Pando Media Booster. This is basically spyware that eats up your bandwidth and it will most likely be installe with every Xbox 720.

Any proof for this? 

While a business website reporting that Pando was purchased by Microsoft is likely reliable, any statements they make about gaming should likely be taken entirely as rumor. While the article does say the software is planned to be used in the next-gen Xbox, how can we know for sure before Microsoft has even unveiled the thing? Maybe Microsoft just wanted Pando's patents for peer-to-peer transfer. Maybe it's nothing at all.

 

So you turn this automatically into sth. bad and even say "most likely be installed" while the article does not. Thanks for clearing that.

This is rumor of course. If they decide to install it on every Xbox, we wont' know for some time. Probably until someone hacks the damn thing.

just say you chose thewrong words initially. andwhy would someone have to hack it? there are people like me who are  able to use  a network sniffer...

Because of they got Pando running on every Xbox, it will be heavily integrated into the OS. I doubt they would allow you to uninstall/disable it. This will take a load off their servers and considering all Xbox 720s will be always online, they better do something about these servers. I don't think Pando is the answer though as it is very anti-consumer. If you're not familiar with the program, it usually installs by itself with something like an MMORPG. It doesn't ask you if you want to install this malware, it installs on its own and you don't even notice. 



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VGKing said:
walsufnir said:
VGKing said:
walsufnir said:
VGKing said:
walsufnir said:
VGKing said:
Argh_College said:
i dont like the idea mas its all about the games, show me great games and i dont care if its allwways online oggline or cookies i just want great games to play, i have a internet conection that handles pretty well my 360.

So you really don't care of the console has DRM? 
Yes, it is about the games and the most popular games will be available on the more consumer-friendly PS4.

Its funny how no one has complained about Microsoft buying Pando Media Booster. This is basically spyware that eats up your bandwidth and it will most likely be installe with every Xbox 720.

Any proof for this? 

While a business website reporting that Pando was purchased by Microsoft is likely reliable, any statements they make about gaming should likely be taken entirely as rumor. While the article does say the software is planned to be used in the next-gen Xbox, how can we know for sure before Microsoft has even unveiled the thing? Maybe Microsoft just wanted Pando's patents for peer-to-peer transfer. Maybe it's nothing at all.

 

So you turn this automatically into sth. bad and even say "most likely be installed" while the article does not. Thanks for clearing that.

This is rumor of course. If they decide to install it on every Xbox, we wont' know for some time. Probably until someone hacks the damn thing.

just say you chose thewrong words initially. andwhy would someone have to hack it? there are people like me who are  able to use  a network sniffer...

Because of they got Pando running on every Xbox, it will be heavily integrated into the OS. I doubt they would allow you to uninstall/disable it. This will take a load off their servers and considering all Xbox 720s will be always online, they better do something about these servers. I don't think Pando is the answer though as it is very anti-consumer. If you're not familiar with the program, it usually installs by itself with something like an MMORPG. It doesn't ask you if you want to install this malware, it installs on its own and you don't even notice. 


*sigh* ok, I'll stop this useless discussion. Your mix of stating probabilities, opinions and using rumors as facts to paint a picture to make MS look as making only mistakes is not helping any discussion.



Always-on Xbox is a bad idea, say UK retail bosses

A few UK retailers have added their two cents into the “always on” debate, a function rumored to be integrated into the next-Xbox partially in order to block pre-owned games from playing.

 

Speaking with MCV, Dixons Retail’s Christopher Rogers said while the chain doesn’t sell pre-owned games, the possibility of an always on console is bad idea in the UK as the broadband infrastructure isn’t up to par in all areas of the country. “Surely last month’s teething troubles with SimCity are a warning for this,” he stated.

Don McCabe of CHIPS added that while a console always connected to the Internet would be a positive thing, due to automatic updates and along with reduced load times and piracy, blocking second-hand titles and forcing consumers to pay more is a bad idea. McCabe also brought up the broadband connection in the UK as well.

“Block second-hand and force a constant connection and the market will shrink rapidly,” he said, “but Microsoft will still make a profit. As for the rest of us [at retail], tough titty.”

Games Centre’s managing director Robert Lindsay, feels it would be a critical mistake on Microsoft’s part to do this, as it would allow Sony the upper hand.

“If Microsoft incorporates the tech to lock out pre-owned games and Sony doesn’t then there is going to be only one winner in the next generation of consoles – and it won’t be Microsoft,” he said. “The publishers are completely out of touch with their consumers if they don’t understand how important pre-owned is in helping them fund new releases.

“Retail is struggling. This will create an even quicker decline. I remain optimistic that the rumours will remain just that, and Microsoft and Sony will make the right decision for the industry.”

Steven Doyle, manager of Games Dojo agrees that such a move would “kill the Xbox,” and make Sony the ultimate winner of the console wars.

“Customers have been unhappy with rumours about blocking pre-owned games and publishers using online codes,” he said. “If the Xbox 720 is locking out pre-owned games, we wouldn’t be happy about that at all and it certainly wouldn’t help us. Not all of our customers are online and not everyone is on the internet so that could damage it.

“In the UK, our internet infrastucture is way behind the rest of the world and if a game cuts out, that will upset people.”

Excite Games, which makes most of its profit from the sale of used titles, feels such a move would be “detrimental” to both retail and the consumer.

“We don’t make that much on new games, as the supermarkets have devalued new titles. We make most of our money through pre-owned,” said the firm’s Paul Whitfield. I put a post on our Facebook page a while back about this and most of the feedback from consumers said that if that’s the case, they wouldn’t buy the next Xbox.”

Finally, Chris Muckell, who is managing director of Xpress Games, agreed stating that if the store can no longer sell second-hand Xbox titles, a consumer migration will turn in Sony’s favor.

“Assuming everything we’ve read is true – that this could be a big failure from Microsoft if they exclusively adapt that route of distribution and online activation,” he said. “Pre-owned games fuel the entire new market.

“Microsoft needs retail.”

Microsoft is rumored to be unveiling its next console in May, with further rumors pointing to a holiday release in order to go neck-and-neck with PS4.

http://www.vg247.com/2013/04/06/always-on-xbox-is-a-bad-idea-says-uk-retail/



walsufnir said:
VGKing said:
walsufnir said:
VGKing said:
walsufnir said:
VGKing said:
walsufnir said:
VGKing said:
Argh_College said:
i dont like the idea mas its all about the games, show me great games and i dont care if its allwways online oggline or cookies i just want great games to play, i have a internet conection that handles pretty well my 360.

So you really don't care of the console has DRM? 
Yes, it is about the games and the most popular games will be available on the more consumer-friendly PS4.

Its funny how no one has complained about Microsoft buying Pando Media Booster. This is basically spyware that eats up your bandwidth and it will most likely be installe with every Xbox 720.

Any proof for this? 

While a business website reporting that Pando was purchased by Microsoft is likely reliable, any statements they make about gaming should likely be taken entirely as rumor. While the article does say the software is planned to be used in the next-gen Xbox, how can we know for sure before Microsoft has even unveiled the thing? Maybe Microsoft just wanted Pando's patents for peer-to-peer transfer. Maybe it's nothing at all.

 

So you turn this automatically into sth. bad and even say "most likely be installed" while the article does not. Thanks for clearing that.

This is rumor of course. If they decide to install it on every Xbox, we wont' know for some time. Probably until someone hacks the damn thing.

just say you chose thewrong words initially. andwhy would someone have to hack it? there are people like me who are  able to use  a network sniffer...

Because of they got Pando running on every Xbox, it will be heavily integrated into the OS. I doubt they would allow you to uninstall/disable it. This will take a load off their servers and considering all Xbox 720s will be always online, they better do something about these servers. I don't think Pando is the answer though as it is very anti-consumer. If you're not familiar with the program, it usually installs by itself with something like an MMORPG. It doesn't ask you if you want to install this malware, it installs on its own and you don't even notice. 


*sigh* ok, I'll stop this useless discussion. Your mix of stating probabilities, opinions and using rumors as facts to paint a picture to make MS look as making only mistakes is not helping any discussion.

Not using any rumors as facts lmfao we're discussing rumors here. Don't be so sensitive.



Heavenly_King said:

It is not going to happen, they are just allowing this to spread, so that at E3, when they say the contrary they get hyped......very hyped about something that should be in there without a doubt :S. But still the media will begin spreading this as if it was a major revolutionary thing, and people will get sucked in the "hype".

I really dont think M$ is that stupid for making an always online console.

This is exactly what I think. They are probably just trololololing in their offices. From what I've read, even if it was implemented right now they could just do a firmware update to get rid of it.

I think they're just using this as a publicity stunt for the 720 to get people to watch it when it is revealed. You know how they say that any publicity is good publicity. Once they do release info and say there is no online, the 720 will be heralded as kind of king console for not having that feature even though their competitor didn't have it from the very beginning.

M$ is very sly. They wouldn't be making this mistake. If anything this is probably all planned and Adam Orph may have done what he did on purpose to boost hype and take the talk away from the PS4 and shift it more to 720 until it is revealed.



 

UltimateUnknown said:
Heavenly_King said:

It is not going to happen, they are just allowing this to spread, so that at E3, when they say the contrary they get hyped......very hyped about something that should be in there without a doubt :S. But still the media will begin spreading this as if it was a major revolutionary thing, and people will get sucked in the "hype".

I really dont think M$ is that stupid for making an always online console.

This is exactly what I think. They are probably just trololololing in their offices. From what I've read, even if it was implemented right now they could just do a firmware update to get rid of it.

I think they're just using this as a publicity stunt for the 720 to get people to watch it when it is revealed. You know how they say that any publicity is good publicity. Once they do release info and say there is no online, the 720 will be heralded as kind of king console for not having that feature even though their competitor didn't have it from the very beginning.

M$ is very sly. They wouldn't be making this mistake. If anything this is probably all planned and Adam Orph may have done what he did on purpose to boost hype and take the talk away from the PS4 and shift it more to 720 until it is revealed.

Seriously, you can't believe this. That's a nearly insane marketing strategy.

The most logical explanation for these rumors is that they are true. MS, being a big powerfull company, got trapped in it's own hubris, and thought that consumers will be accepting of this idea (They might be for all i know).

This happens all the time with companies of that size and influence.



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