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Stefan.De.Machtige said:
UltimateUnknown said:
Heavenly_King said:

It is not going to happen, they are just allowing this to spread, so that at E3, when they say the contrary they get hyped......very hyped about something that should be in there without a doubt :S. But still the media will begin spreading this as if it was a major revolutionary thing, and people will get sucked in the "hype".

I really dont think M$ is that stupid for making an always online console.

This is exactly what I think. They are probably just trololololing in their offices. From what I've read, even if it was implemented right now they could just do a firmware update to get rid of it.

I think they're just using this as a publicity stunt for the 720 to get people to watch it when it is revealed. You know how they say that any publicity is good publicity. Once they do release info and say there is no online, the 720 will be heralded as kind of king console for not having that feature even though their competitor didn't have it from the very beginning.

M$ is very sly. They wouldn't be making this mistake. If anything this is probably all planned and Adam Orph may have done what he did on purpose to boost hype and take the talk away from the PS4 and shift it more to 720 until it is revealed.

Seriously, you can't believe this. That's a nearly insane marketing strategy.

The most logical explanation for these rumors is that they are true. MS, being a big powerfull company, got trapped in it's own hubris, and thought that consumers will be accepting of this idea (They might be for all i know).

This happens all the time with companies of that size and influence.

I know it sounds crazy, but to me that is more viable than M$ going always online. I just refuse to believe, at least until I see them announce that they would go always online. No matter how big they may be in the console market, they just can't make such a ridiculous move and cut their marketshare drastically. I just can not forsee how this can ever benefit them in the long run.

I'm not even getting a 720 whether it has always online or not, but I still have trouble believing this.....actually scratch all that I said. M$ were the ones who started charging for online play when it was always free. So I can kind of see why they could be trying to do this as well thinking they can radically change the console space with such decisions.



 

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VGKing said:
walsufnir said:
VGKing said:
Argh_College said:
i dont like the idea mas its all about the games, show me great games and i dont care if its allwways online oggline or cookies i just want great games to play, i have a internet conection that handles pretty well my 360.

So you really don't care of the console has DRM? 
Yes, it is about the games and the most popular games will be available on the more consumer-friendly PS4.

Its funny how no one has complained about Microsoft buying Pando Media Booster. This is basically spyware that eats up your bandwidth and it will most likely be installe with every Xbox 720.

Any proof for this? 

http://www.neoseeker.com/forums/24801/t1841440-rumor-microsoft-acquires-p2p-torrent-software-developer-pando-perhaps-related-to-next-xbox/

 

Israeli business website Calcalist is reporting that Microsoft has acquired peer-to-peer torrent software developer Pando for $11 million. Pando is perhaps best known for developing the Pando Media Booster, software widely known for its use in League of Legends and other PC games, which allows for peer-to-peer transfer of the game client or large updates. According to a loose translation, Calcalis says that Microsoft is planning to us Pando's software in the next-gen Xbox.

It should be noted that Pando doesn't exactly have the best reputation with gamers. Pando Media Booster has been referred to as "borderline malware" on occasion by players and tech sites alike. For example, the small application is installed with League of Legends and will run in the background as you're downloading the game and also afterwards -- potentially devouring your bandwidth. Disabling peer-to-peer can stop the process, but uninstalling the "booster" is the only sure way to stop it.

While a business website reporting that Pando was purchased by Microsoft is likely reliable, any statements they make about gaming should likely be taken entirely as rumor. While the article does say the software is planned to be used in the next-gen Xbox, how can we know for sure before Microsoft has even unveiled the thing? Maybe Microsoft just wanted Pando's patents for peer-to-peer transfer. Maybe it's nothing at all.

Calcalist also says that the next Xbox console is planned to be shown off in June. Now it should be fairly obvious just how much a stretch some of these statements are. Truth or rumor, don't be surprised if Microsoft has some interesting ways in which it connects to the internet when it's finally announced. If the Durango is permanently online, it has to be fast, right?

 





UltimateUnknown said:
Stefan.De.Machtige said:
UltimateUnknown said:
Heavenly_King said:

It is not going to happen, they are just allowing this to spread, so that at E3, when they say the contrary they get hyped......very hyped about something that should be in there without a doubt :S. But still the media will begin spreading this as if it was a major revolutionary thing, and people will get sucked in the "hype".

I really dont think M$ is that stupid for making an always online console.

This is exactly what I think. They are probably just trololololing in their offices. From what I've read, even if it was implemented right now they could just do a firmware update to get rid of it.

I think they're just using this as a publicity stunt for the 720 to get people to watch it when it is revealed. You know how they say that any publicity is good publicity. Once they do release info and say there is no online, the 720 will be heralded as kind of king console for not having that feature even though their competitor didn't have it from the very beginning.

M$ is very sly. They wouldn't be making this mistake. If anything this is probably all planned and Adam Orph may have done what he did on purpose to boost hype and take the talk away from the PS4 and shift it more to 720 until it is revealed.

Seriously, you can't believe this. That's a nearly insane marketing strategy.

The most logical explanation for these rumors is that they are true. MS, being a big powerfull company, got trapped in it's own hubris, and thought that consumers will be accepting of this idea (They might be for all i know).

This happens all the time with companies of that size and influence.

I know it sounds crazy, but to me that is more viable than M$ going always online. I just refuse to believe, at least until I see them announce that they would go always online. No matter how big they may be in the console market, they just can't make such a ridiculous move and cut their marketshare drastically. I just can not forsee how this can ever benefit them in the long run.

I'm not even getting a 720 whether it has always online or not, but I still have trouble believing this.....actually scratch all that I said. M$ were the ones who started charging for online play when it was always free. So I can kind of see why they could be trying to do this as well thinking they can radically change the console space with such decisions.

There is some logic to that strategy when you look at it from MS's point. They want a mediacenter, not a console but a mediacenter which plays games. The best way for them to generated cash (or influence) is when those devices are online - eshop for games, movies and the rest.

The current customers who do not pay or use XBOX live at this moment, are in that aspect a bit irrelevant. To the "mediacenter" strategy, forcing out the non- online customers would be a small loss - they would bring in less revenue overal.

At least, that's how i would see it, from their point of view.

Microsoft might really believe this strategy could work. I doubt it will, but i can see why they would potentially implement it.



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Stefan.De.Machtige said:
UltimateUnknown said:
Stefan.De.Machtige said:
UltimateUnknown said:
Heavenly_King said:

 

There is some logic to that strategy when you look at it from MS's point. They want a mediacenter, not a console but a mediacenter which plays games. The best way for them to generated cash (or influence) is when those devices are online - eshop for games, movies and the rest.

The current customers who do not pay or use XBOX live at this moment, are in that aspect a bit irrelevant. To the "mediacenter" strategy, forcing out the non- online customers would be a small loss - they would bring in less revenue overal.

At least, that's how i would see it, from their point of view.

Microsoft might really believe this strategy could work. I doubt it will, but i can see why they would potentially implement it.

Well you know that's fine. I understand that, but that doesn't mean they have to force out the people who may not have an always online option.

The mediacenter approach is already adopted partially by the 360 and my 360 is pretty much always online. I almost never play it offline but there are others who do. I mean the consumers who want to take advantage of the always online features can and gain full access to all the mediacenter functionalities, while who don't have the option can just play their games on their console and ignore the other features.

If you are selling burgers to a customers and one of those customers doesn't want the tomato in it (like myself) and decides to throw it away, you don't just tell the customer that they can't buy the burger because they aren't eating the tomato. The logical thing to do would be to sell them the burger and let them decide how much or how little of it they want to eat.



 

ethomaz said:
I think the feature exists in the Nextbox but I guess it will be a choice for developers... like the EA put that in SimCity or Blizzard in Diablo III.

So if the developer wanted the game needs always online then it will use this feature.

This. I believe both the PS3 and 360 will have these integrated into their OS as either a just in case scenario and/or to allow publishers to choose to block used games or not.

However, I'm very skeptical of an always online for everything with the Next Xbox. I'm sure there will be certain games that will require an internet connection; but not all of them.

 

@Vgking: No they can only add incentives to buying the game new (such as MP passes with new games).