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crissindahouse on 03 April 2013
S.T.A.G.E. said:
wfz said:
This is very true if you believe that power is the only thing that makes PC gaming awesome. Then again, if you believe that, your PC is likely already more powerful than the PS4.

And this is untrue for the rest of us who enjoy PC gaming for reasons other than specs.


Other then specs what is there to make PC gaming so superior?

other than games pc gamers don't care about, what makes a console superior to pc gaming? if you are pc gamer first there is probably a rerason for that and if you are console gamer first there is probably also a reason. both are superior to each other, it just depends what kind of gamer you are. why should a guy who plays thousands of hours total war or civilization care about how many games like uncharted or forza a console has?



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ethomaz on 03 April 2013

walsufnir said:

You have a notebook with 8GB RAM and use a 32-Bit-Windows? ;) The "hole" is the result of IO-devices residing also in memory and they block usable ram-areas. Again, 4GB is not the maximum for a 32-bit-system, this issue has been resolved since ages and is revolved by PAE. The maximum ram available to an application is not 3GB ram, it is in fact 2 GB, even with all applications closed because there are more "applications" running than you started ;) The processor doesn't even know "application", it knows a "context".

I had a Notebook with 4GB RAM running Windows XP because some apps of the work that just run in Windows XP... received a new memory module of 4GB from my company... so I installed it while that I was looking for a new SO to use.

At the end my company recommended to install 64bits Linux and run a virtual machine with Windows XP only for some apps I need to use... now I'm running the RHEL 6.4 in my work notebook with 8GB RAM (the Linux see only 7.4GB RAM).

I don't like the RHEL 6.4 but that is the official Linux used in IBM... they have customization and call it OpenClient RHEL 6.4.



walsufnir on 03 April 2013
ethomaz said:

walsufnir said:

You have a notebook with 8GB RAM and use a 32-Bit-Windows? ;) The "hole" is the result of IO-devices residing also in memory and they block usable ram-areas. Again, 4GB is not the maximum for a 32-bit-system, this issue has been resolved since ages and is revolved by PAE. The maximum ram available to an application is not 3GB ram, it is in fact 2 GB, even with all applications closed because there are more "applications" running than you started ;) The processor doesn't even know "application", it knows a "context".

I had a Notebook with 4GB RAM running Windows XP because some apps of the work that just run in Windows XP... received a new memory module of 4GB from my company... so I installed it while that I was looking for a new SO to use.

At the end my company recommended to install 64bits Linux and run a virtual machine with Windows XP only for some apps I need to use... now I'm running the RHEL 6.4 in my work notebook with 8GB RAM (the Linux see only 7.4GB RAM).

I don't like the RHEL 6.4 but that is the official Linux used in IBM... they have customization and call it OpenClient RHEL 6.4.


Wait, even with a 64-bit-linux you only see 7.4 GB RAM? Than you have discrete graphics, right? And yes, RHEL is totally crap. I prefer debian-based distributions, but be happy that IBM hasn't ported AIX for x86 ;)



ethomaz on 03 April 2013

walsufnir said:

Wait, even with a 64-bit-linux you only see 7.4 GB RAM? Than you have discrete graphics, right? And yes, RHEL is totally crap. I prefer debian-based distributions, but be happy that IBM hasn't ported AIX for x86 ;)

Yeap.. the Linux only see 7.4GB... any Lenovo device didn't use all the RAM... semms like the notebook share some RAM in hardware level (maybe onboard GPU? But there are no option in BIOS for change that).



walsufnir on 03 April 2013
ethomaz said:

walsufnir said:

Wait, even with a 64-bit-linux you only see 7.4 GB RAM? Than you have discrete graphics, right? And yes, RHEL is totally crap. I prefer debian-based distributions, but be happy that IBM hasn't ported AIX for x86 ;)

Yeap.. the Linux only see 7.4GB... any Lenovo device didn't use all the RAM... semms like the notebook share some RAM in hardware level (maybe onboard GPU? But there are no option in BIOS for change that).


I am quite sure it is onboard gpu. Could you post a "lspci -v" from a terminal? It is quite usual that you can' change the amount of shared RAM used by onboard-GPU (especially if it is Intel).



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ethomaz on 03 April 2013

walsufnir said:

I am quite sure it is onboard gpu. Could you post a "lspci -v" from a terminal? It is quite usual that you can' change the amount of shared RAM used by onboard-GPU (especially if it is Intel).

The GPU is the only coming in Sandy Bridge CPU I guess... the command.

00:00.0 Host bridge: Intel Corporation 3rd Gen Core processor DRAM Controller (rev 09)
Subsystem: Lenovo Device 21f3
Flags: bus master, fast devsel, latency 0
Capabilities: <access denied>

00:02.0 VGA compatible controller: Intel Corporation 3rd Gen Core processor Graphics Controller (rev 09) (prog-if 00 [VGA controller])
Subsystem: Lenovo Device 21f3
Flags: bus master, fast devsel, latency 0, IRQ 31
Memory at f0000000 (64-bit, non-prefetchable) [size=4M]
Memory at e0000000 (64-bit, prefetchable) [size=256M]
I/O ports at 5000 [size=64]
Expansion ROM at <unassigned> [disabled]
Capabilities: <access denied>
Kernel driver in use: i915
Kernel modules: i915

00:14.0 USB controller: Intel Corporation 7 Series/C210 Series Chipset Family USB xHCI Host Controller (rev 04) (prog-if 30 [XHCI])
Subsystem: Lenovo Device 21f3
Flags: bus master, medium devsel, latency 0, IRQ 33
Memory at f2520000 (64-bit, non-prefetchable) [size=64K]
Capabilities: <access denied>
Kernel driver in use: xhci_hcd
Kernel modules: xhci-hcd

00:16.0 Communication controller: Intel Corporation 7 Series/C210 Series Chipset Family MEI Controller #1 (rev 04)
Subsystem: Lenovo Device 21f3
Flags: bus master, fast devsel, latency 0, IRQ 11
Memory at f2535000 (64-bit, non-prefetchable) [size=16]
Capabilities: <access denied>

00:16.3 Serial controller: Intel Corporation 7 Series/C210 Series Chipset Family KT Controller (rev 04) (prog-if 02 [16550])
Subsystem: Lenovo Device 21f3
Flags: bus master, 66MHz, fast devsel, latency 0, IRQ 19
I/O ports at 50b0 [size=8]
Memory at f253c000 (32-bit, non-prefetchable) [size=4K]
Capabilities: <access denied>
Kernel driver in use: serial

00:19.0 Ethernet controller: Intel Corporation 82579LM Gigabit Network Connection (rev 04)
Subsystem: Lenovo Device 21f3
Flags: bus master, fast devsel, latency 0, IRQ 34
Memory at f2500000 (32-bit, non-prefetchable) [size=128K]
Memory at f253b000 (32-bit, non-prefetchable) [size=4K]
I/O ports at 5080 [size=32]
Capabilities: <access denied>
Kernel driver in use: e1000e
Kernel modules: e1000e

00:1a.0 USB controller: Intel Corporation 7 Series/C210 Series Chipset Family USB Enhanced Host Controller #2 (rev 04) (prog-if 20 [EHCI])
Subsystem: Lenovo Device 21f3
Flags: bus master, medium devsel, latency 0, IRQ 16
Memory at f253a000 (32-bit, non-prefetchable) [size=1K]
Capabilities: <access denied>
Kernel driver in use: ehci_hcd

00:1b.0 Audio device: Intel Corporation 7 Series/C210 Series Chipset Family High Definition Audio Controller (rev 04)
Subsystem: Lenovo Device 21f3
Flags: bus master, fast devsel, latency 0, IRQ 35
Memory at f2530000 (64-bit, non-prefetchable) [size=16K]
Capabilities: <access denied>
Kernel driver in use: snd_hda_intel
Kernel modules: snd-hda-intel

00:1c.0 PCI bridge: Intel Corporation 7 Series/C210 Series Chipset Family PCI Express Root Port 1 (rev c4) (prog-if 00 [Normal decode])
Flags: bus master, fast devsel, latency 0
Bus: primary=00, secondary=02, subordinate=02, sec-latency=0
I/O behind bridge: 00004000-00004fff
Memory behind bridge: f1d00000-f24fffff
Prefetchable memory behind bridge: 00000000f0400000-00000000f0bfffff
Capabilities: <access denied>
Kernel modules: shpchp

00:1c.1 PCI bridge: Intel Corporation 7 Series/C210 Series Chipset Family PCI Express Root Port 2 (rev c4) (prog-if 00 [Normal decode])
Flags: bus master, fast devsel, latency 0
Bus: primary=00, secondary=03, subordinate=03, sec-latency=0
Memory behind bridge: f1c00000-f1cfffff
Capabilities: <access denied>
Kernel modules: shpchp

00:1c.2 PCI bridge: Intel Corporation 7 Series/C210 Series Chipset Family PCI Express Root Port 3 (rev c4) (prog-if 00 [Normal decode])
Flags: bus master, fast devsel, latency 0
Bus: primary=00, secondary=04, subordinate=0b, sec-latency=0
I/O behind bridge: 00003000-00003fff
Memory behind bridge: f1400000-f1bfffff
Prefetchable memory behind bridge: 00000000f0c00000-00000000f13fffff
Capabilities: <access denied>
Kernel modules: shpchp

00:1d.0 USB controller: Intel Corporation 7 Series/C210 Series Chipset Family USB Enhanced Host Controller #1 (rev 04) (prog-if 20 [EHCI])
Subsystem: Lenovo Device 21f3
Flags: bus master, medium devsel, latency 0, IRQ 23
Memory at f2539000 (32-bit, non-prefetchable) [size=1K]
Capabilities: <access denied>
Kernel driver in use: ehci_hcd

00:1f.0 ISA bridge: Intel Corporation QM77 Express Chipset LPC Controller (rev 04)
Subsystem: Lenovo Device 21f3
Flags: bus master, medium devsel, latency 0
Capabilities: <access denied>
Kernel modules: iTCO_wdt

00:1f.2 SATA controller: Intel Corporation 7 Series Chipset Family 6-port SATA Controller [AHCI mode] (rev 04) (prog-if 01 [AHCI 1.0])
Subsystem: Lenovo Device 21f3
Flags: bus master, 66MHz, medium devsel, latency 0, IRQ 32
I/O ports at 50a8 [size=8]
I/O ports at 50bc [size=4]
I/O ports at 50a0 [size=8]
I/O ports at 50b8 [size=4]
I/O ports at 5060 [size=32]
Memory at f2538000 (32-bit, non-prefetchable) [size=2K]
Capabilities: <access denied>
Kernel driver in use: ahci
Kernel modules: ahci

00:1f.3 SMBus: Intel Corporation 7 Series/C210 Series Chipset Family SMBus Controller (rev 04)
Subsystem: Lenovo Device 21f3
Flags: medium devsel, IRQ 18
Memory at f2534000 (64-bit, non-prefetchable) [size=256]
I/O ports at efa0 [size=32]
Kernel driver in use: i801_smbus
Kernel modules: i2c-i801

02:00.0 System peripheral: Ricoh Co Ltd PCIe SDXC/MMC Host Controller (rev 07) (prog-if 01)
Subsystem: Lenovo Device 21f3
Flags: bus master, fast devsel, latency 0, IRQ 16
Memory at f1d00000 (32-bit, non-prefetchable) [size=256]
Capabilities: <access denied>
Kernel driver in use: sdhci-pci
Kernel modules: sdhci-pci

03:00.0 Network controller: Intel Corporation Centrino Advanced-N 6205 (rev 34)
Subsystem: Intel Corporation Centrino Advanced-N 6205 AGN
Flags: bus master, fast devsel, latency 0, IRQ 36
Memory at f1c00000 (64-bit, non-prefetchable) [size=8K]
Capabilities: <access denied>
Kernel driver in use: iwlwifi
Kernel modules: iwlwifi


SENTIENT6 on 03 April 2013
wfz said:
This is very true if you believe that power is the only thing that makes PC gaming awesome. Then again, if you believe that, your PC is likely already more powerful than the PS4.

And this is untrue for the rest of us who enjoy PC gaming for reasons other than specs.


Oh please, stop being so sensitive, god forbid anyone praise the PS4 architecture. He is allowed to say what he thinks of the technical aspects of a system.



walsufnir on 03 April 2013
ethomaz said:

walsufnir said:

I am quite sure it is onboard gpu. Could you post a "lspci -v" from a terminal? It is quite usual that you can' change the amount of shared RAM used by onboard-GPU (especially if it is Intel).

The GPU is the only coming in Sandy Bridge CPU I guess... the command.


00:02.0 VGA compatible controller: Intel Corporation 3rd Gen Core processor Graphics Controller (rev 09) (prog-if 00 [VGA controller])
Subsystem: Lenovo Device 21f3
Flags: bus master, fast devsel, latency 0, IRQ 31
Memory at f0000000 (64-bit, non-prefetchable) [size=4M]
Memory at e0000000 (64-bit, prefetchable) [size=256M]
I/O ports at 5000 [size=64]
Expansion ROM at [disabled]
Capabilities:
Kernel driver in use: i915
Kernel modules: i915

Exactly, that's where your lost memory is found :)



Subie_Greg on 03 April 2013

I love when the experts share their knowledge, then someone starts a thread about it. Enjoy watching the comments haters try to say they are wrong lol



SENTIENT6 on 03 April 2013
Subie_Greg said:
I love when the experts share their knowledge, then someone starts a thread about it. Enjoy watching the comments haters try to say they are wrong lol


Yeah it's actually very sad. I never understood why people care so much for a piece of electronics.