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Trunkin on 31 March 2013
Nsanity said:

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Uncharted has become the series it is today thanks to Sony feeling pressure from the success of Xbox with its 'gritty shooters', an ex-Naughty Dog developer has revealed.

Talking exclusively to Play, Don Poole, former Environment Modeller at Naughty Dog, explains how Uncharted: Drake's Fortune was originally a 'fantasy' game until orders came from Sony to make it more 'realistic'.

"We were talking about a more 'realistic' game in terms of how it was modelled and rendered but the concepts were much more far out. One was a forest world where the antagonists lived underground," explained Poole.

"It had elements of Tolkien in for sure. Sony kept pushing for a more realistic game in all respects. The market had changed a lot by then. The demographic was older and gritty shooters were really dominating. Sony wanted very much to get into that market share, it pushed all of its developers in this direction."

"So the big push from Sony, not just at Naughty Dog but at all of Sony's development companies at the time, was to craft games for PlayStation 3 that were much more realistic. The pressure from Xbox's success with gritty shooters was a very real force on our direction at that time."

We had a lot of internal grumbling about the realist bent. More of the old dogs were from the Crash and Jak era and preferred that more whimsical style. But alas, that was a losing battle."

http://www.nowgamer.com/news/1063301/naughty_dog_gritty_xbox_shooters_shaped_uncharted.html

The tears... they wont stop.



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J_Allard on 31 March 2013
Nsanity said:
J_Allard said:
Lara has always been "Rambo/McGuyver". Hell in the first game you're dual wielding pistols killing a T-Rex.

Look at this video and tell me the series only just now became about action and cinematics because of Uncharted or something LOL

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qJ315uUqLFQ

That's Anniversary, also from Crystal Dynamics :)

Nice find.

Sure was. Some people want to force the idea down our throats that Tomb Raider is just an Uncharted knock off. But that video shows Crystal Dynamics taking the original TR1 and updating it with modern gameplay mechanics. The same mechanics people say were inspired by Uncharted like cinematic gameplay, an emphasis on action, and QTE's just to name a few. Of course, the glaring hole in their silly theory is that the game in my video came out before Uncharted lol.

I could probably go through that first comparison video and remember sequences like that in past TR games that also came out before Uncharted but as you can see, it wouldn't make a difference.



enditall727 on 31 March 2013
Nsanity said:

NowGamer

Uncharted has become the series it is today thanks to Sony feeling pressure from the success of Xbox with its 'gritty shooters', an ex-Naughty Dog developer has revealed.

Talking exclusively to Play, Don Poole, former Environment Modeller at Naughty Dog, explains how Uncharted: Drake's Fortune was originally a 'fantasy' game until orders came from Sony to make it more 'realistic'.

"We were talking about a more 'realistic' game in terms of how it was modelled and rendered but the concepts were much more far out. One was a forest world where the antagonists lived underground," explained Poole.

"It had elements of Tolkien in for sure. Sony kept pushing for a more realistic game in all respects. The market had changed a lot by then. The demographic was older and gritty shooters were really dominating. Sony wanted very much to get into that market share, it pushed all of its developers in this direction."

"So the big push from Sony, not just at Naughty Dog but at all of Sony's development companies at the time, was to craft games for PlayStation 3 that were much more realistic. The pressure from Xbox's success with gritty shooters was a very real force on our direction at that time."

We had a lot of internal grumbling about the realist bent. More of the old dogs were from the Crash and Jak era and preferred that more whimsical style. But alas, that was a losing battle."

http://www.nowgamer.com/news/1063301/naughty_dog_gritty_xbox_shooters_shaped_uncharted.html


I remember reading about this

 

I'm glad they went the more realistic way and showed all these other companies how it's REALLY done. The new Tomb Raider wouldn't be here if ND went with the fantasy route with Uncharted. We probably wouldn't see an Uncharted influence in a bunch of our new games either like we see today

 

I'd rather them save that fantasy stuff for Jack & Daxter



think-man on 31 March 2013

Hmmm guess I already played TR years ago judging by these videos. I could never take a game seriously that looks like a blatant rip off.



 

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enditall727 on 31 March 2013
think-man said:
Hmmm guess I already played TR years ago judging by these videos. I could never take a game seriously that looks like a blatant rip off.


it's not really a blatant copy. It's more that Uncharted just pumped life back into this specific part of the genre. You can't really be mad at Tomb Raider for it though because Tomb Raider WAS the original king at 1 point back in the day



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Porcupine_I on 31 March 2013

Tomb Raider is obviously the superior game, because Uncharted doesn't have a walking bottle!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h4HiEcH00TQ&feature=youtube_gdata_player



“It appeared that there had even been demonstrations to thank Big Brother for raising the chocolate ration to twenty grams a week. And only yesterday, he reflected, it had been announced that the ration was to be reduced to twenty grams a week. Was it possible that they could swallow that, after only twenty-four hours? Yes, they swallowed it.”

- George Orwell, ‘1984’

SunofKratos on 31 March 2013

As a gamer which have played Tomb Raider Legend and Anniversary and in some part some older Tomb Raider games i can honestly say the new Tomb Raider has nothing to do with Tomb Raider anymoore. You can call this game Uncharted 3.5 if you want, which isnt a bad thing because i have alot of fun playing this game even if it was not as great as Uncharted 2 and 3.



Sal.Paradise on 31 March 2013
SunofKratos said:
As a gamer which have played Tomb Raider Legend and Anniversary and in some part some older Tomb Raider games i can honestly say the new Tomb Raider has nothing to do with Tomb Raider anymoore. You can call this game Uncharted 3.5 if you want, which isnt a bad thing because i have alot of fun playing this game even if it was not as great as Uncharted 2 and 3.

This is what I hear from actual Tomb Raider fans. The ones that enjoy the Uncharted style of game anyway really like it, but there's a lot of them that are angry it's strayed away from what they loved in the original games.  



TimCliveroller on 31 March 2013
SunofKratos said:
As a gamer which have played Tomb Raider Legend and Anniversary and in some part some older Tomb Raider games i can honestly say the new Tomb Raider has nothing to do with Tomb Raider anymoore. You can call this game Uncharted 3.5 if you want, which isnt a bad thing because i have alot of fun playing this game even if it was not as great as Uncharted 2 and 3.

If 'Tomb Raider has nothing to do with Tomb Raider anymoore', then does Uncharted have something to do with the old Tomb Raiders or not? I don't get it.



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walsufnir on 31 March 2013
Nsanity said:

NowGamer

Uncharted has become the series it is today thanks to Sony feeling pressure from the success of Xbox with its 'gritty shooters', an ex-Naughty Dog developer has revealed.

Talking exclusively to Play, Don Poole, former Environment Modeller at Naughty Dog, explains how Uncharted: Drake's Fortune was originally a 'fantasy' game until orders came from Sony to make it more 'realistic'.

"We were talking about a more 'realistic' game in terms of how it was modelled and rendered but the concepts were much more far out. One was a forest world where the antagonists lived underground," explained Poole.

"It had elements of Tolkien in for sure. Sony kept pushing for a more realistic game in all respects. The market had changed a lot by then. The demographic was older and gritty shooters were really dominating. Sony wanted very much to get into that market share, it pushed all of its developers in this direction."

"So the big push from Sony, not just at Naughty Dog but at all of Sony's development companies at the time, was to craft games for PlayStation 3 that were much more realistic. The pressure from Xbox's success with gritty shooters was a very real force on our direction at that time."

We had a lot of internal grumbling about the realist bent. More of the old dogs were from the Crash and Jak era and preferred that more whimsical style. But alas, that was a losing battle."

http://www.nowgamer.com/news/1063301/naughty_dog_gritty_xbox_shooters_shaped_uncharted.html


And still people want MS to fail nextgen... *sigh*