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NobleTeam360 on 29 March 2013

Call of Duty no doubt, but will it remain that way this coming gen.



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NintendoPie on 29 March 2013
the_dengle said:

You have to repeat yourself over and over because it's an arbitrary restriction that makes no sense. You should have just asked which IP is bigger on 360 and been done with it.

And I will repeat: you have PC games in your "home console" comparison.

He's not going to take what you're saying into consideration.



ryuzaki57 on 29 March 2013
superchunk said:
ryuzaki57 said:
CoD now sells every year as much as mario LTD. No debate here. And with the casual crowd progressively withdrawind from the console market, it's safe to assume CoD will remain the king for some time.

COD sells alot on a userbase that includes the entireity of all possible gamers. Consider how big Mario would be if it wasn't exclusive to one console?

True. Nintendo should definitely make mario multiplatform, it would beat CoD at once. We aren't talking hypothesis here, the question is about the actual situation. There is no "if".



 

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superchunk on 29 March 2013

Put this into perspective with just the last coulple COD game and NSMBWii.

CODBlops2

  X360 PS3 WiiU PC TOTAL
Userbase 74m 73m 3m 100m+ 250m+
Sales 12m 10m 0.2m 1m 23.2m
Sales % 16% 14% 7% 1% 9%

CODMW3

  X360 PS3 Wii PC TOTAL
Userbase 74m 73m 99m 100m+ 346m+
Sales 15m 13m 1m 2m 31m
Sales % 20% 18% 1% 2% 9%

NSMBWii

  Wii
Userbase 99m
Sales 27m
Sales % 27%

So.

"Mario games" have 99m possible userbase vs over 350m. That's over 3x the possible number of purchasers. YET, their games can and often do still outsell COD on game by game basis on both raw number of sales and especially % of sales to its potential user base (even if you remove PC).

How can anyone argue that Mario is not the video game king?



superchunk on 29 March 2013
ryuzaki57 said:
superchunk said:
ryuzaki57 said:
CoD now sells every year as much as mario LTD. No debate here. And with the casual crowd progressively withdrawind from the console market, it's safe to assume CoD will remain the king for some time.

COD sells alot on a userbase that includes the entireity of all possible gamers. Consider how big Mario would be if it wasn't exclusive to one console?

True. Nintendo should definitely make mario multiplatform, it would beat CoD at once. We aren't talking hypothesis here, the question is about the actual situation. There is no "if".

See my post above for "actual situation".



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ryuzaki57 on 29 March 2013
superchunk said:

Put this into perspective with just the last coulple COD game and NSMBWii.

CODBlops2

  X360 PS3 WiiU PC TOTAL
Userbase 74m 73m 3m 100m+ 250m+
Sales 12m 10m 0.2m 1m 23.2m
Sales % 16% 14% 7% 1% 9%

CODMW3

  X360 PS3 Wii PC TOTAL
Userbase 74m 73m 99m 100m+ 346m+
Sales 15m 13m 1m 2m 31m
Sales % 20% 18% 1% 2% 9%

NSMBWii

  Wii
Userbase 99m
Sales 27m
Sales % 27%

"Mario games" have 99m possible userbase vs over 350m. That's over 3x the possible number of purchasers. YET, their games can and often do still outsell COD on game by game basis on both raw number of sales and especially % of sales to its potential user base (even if you remove PC).

How can anyone argue that Mario is not the video game king?

I shall question your logic. First, you compare a game doesn't even have 6 six on the market (BO2) to a 2009 game (NSMBWii). If you take time into account, BO2 is much, much stronger than NSMBWii.

Mario games having a lesser possible user base doesn't mean much : PS360 owners have a choice between many games in a full array of genres, so it's only normal that one game would have a smaller sales/user base ratio. Wii owners don't have that kind rich library, and many of them probably hardly know there are games beyond mario.

Ultimately, I want to add a new point. In economics you don't just consider units, but value. A CoD game costs 20€ more than your average mario game, not to mention the extra revenue that comes from the DLCs.

For all those reasons, it is clear that Call of Duty is a much bigger business than mario.



 

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Jaywood2010 on 29 March 2013
the_dengle said:
JayWood2010 said:


Home consoles.  Wouldnt think i would have to repeat myself over and over.

You have to repeat yourself over and over because it's an arbitrary restriction that makes no sense. You should have just asked which IP is bigger on 360 and been done with it.

And I will repeat: you have PC games in your "home console" comparison.


Fixed.  3.87m differecnce. 




       

superchunk on 29 March 2013

How about a far more practical comparison with real userbase and real "Mario" games.

1 Call of Duty: Modern Warfare 3 X360 2011 Shooter Activision 9.23 4.09 0.12 1.43 14.87
2 Call of Duty: Black Ops X360 2010 Shooter Activision 9.08 3.42 0.10 1.30 13.90
3 Call of Duty: Modern Warfare 2 X360 2009 Shooter Activision 8.27 3.39 0.08 1.26 13.00
4 Call of Duty: Modern Warfare 3 PS3 2011 Shooter Activision 5.46 4.70 0.47 2.02 12.65
5 Call of Duty: Black Ops PS3 2010 Shooter Activision 5.67 3.96 0.47 1.79 11.88
6 Call of Duty: Black Ops II X360 2012 Shooter Activision 7.25 3.42 0.04 1.14 11.85
7 Call of Duty: Modern Warfare 2 PS3 2009 Shooter Activision 4.85 3.36 0.38 1.53 10.12
8 Call of Duty: Black Ops II PS3 2012 Shooter Activision 4.19 3.67 0.44 1.56 9.86
9 Call of Duty 4: Modern Warfare X360 2007 Shooter Activision 5.62 2.26 0.13 0.87 8.87
10 Call of Duty: World at War X360 2008 Shooter Activision 4.49 1.77 0.00 0.66 6.92
11 Call of Duty 4: Modern Warfare PS3 2007 Shooter Activision 2.93 2.12 0.28 0.97 6.30
12 Call of Duty: World at War PS3 2008 Shooter Activision 2.51 1.71 0.00 0.77 4.99
13 Call of Duty 3 X360 2006 Shooter Activision 1.45 0.88 0.02 0.26 2.61
14 Call of Duty 2 X360 2005 Shooter Activision 1.66 0.02 0.01 0.14 1.83
15 Call of Duty 3 PS3 2006 Shooter Activision 0.54 0.58 0.03 0.24 1.39

PS360 total: 131.04m means a sale average of 8.7m per game on a userbase of 147m which is 6% of the possible userbase.

1 New Super Mario Bros. Wii Wii 2009 Platform Nintendo 13.35 6.48 4.66 2.25 26.75
2 Super Mario Galaxy Wii 2007 Platform Nintendo 5.69 3.14 1.20 0.72 10.76
3 Super Mario Galaxy 2 Wii 2010 Platform Nintendo 3.38 2.04 0.98 0.61 7.01
4 Super Paper Mario Wii 2007 Platform Nintendo 1.85 0.79 0.59 0.31 3.53
5   New Super Mario Bros U  WiiU 2012 Platform Nintendo 0.73 0.31 0.49 0.11 1.63

Wii/U total: 49.68m means a sales average of 9.9m per game on a userbase of 102m which is 9.7% of the possible userbase.

EDIT: pulling out NSMBU and Paper Mario will only help my point... just tossing that out there.



superchunk on 29 March 2013
ryuzaki57 said:

I shall question your logic. First, you compare a game doesn't even have 6 six on the market (BO2) to a 2009 game (NSMBWii). If you take time into account, BO2 is much, much stronger than NSMBWii.

Mario games having a lesser possible user base doesn't mean much : PS360 owners have a choice between many games in a full array of genres, so it's only normal that one game would have a smaller sales/user base ratio. Wii owners don't have that kind rich library, and many of them probably hardly know there are games beyond mario.

Ultimately, I want to add a new point. In economics you don't just consider units, but value. A CoD game costs 20€ more than your average mario game, not to mention the extra revenue that comes from the DLCs.

For all those reasons, it is clear that Call of Duty is a much bigger business than mario.

1) I compared two COD games... not just the newer BO2.

2) You're entire 2nd paragraph is your opinion that is completely wrong in the face of actual facts. Wii (which was the only Mario focus in this thread) had a lot more overall software titles available, especially at a lower price point.

3) Your economics point is wrong too. COD titles may have started at $60 vs Wii's $50, however, which one fell in price sooner and more often? NSMB/Galaxy/Kart or any COD? Nintendo relentlessly keeps original price for freaking ever... and that's not even considering the "value" in all the Mario merchandising.

For all your post, it is clear you have a biased opinion beyond factual evidence.

Mario sells consoles, on its own, repeatedly, for over 25years.

COD does not sale consoles at any time, ever.



Bong Lover on 29 March 2013
ryuzaki57 said:
superchunk said:

Put this into perspective with just the last coulple COD game and NSMBWii.

CODBlops2

  X360 PS3 WiiU PC TOTAL
Userbase 74m 73m 3m 100m+ 250m+
Sales 12m 10m 0.2m 1m 23.2m
Sales % 16% 14% 7% 1% 9%

CODMW3

  X360 PS3 Wii PC TOTAL
Userbase 74m 73m 99m 100m+ 346m+
Sales 15m 13m 1m 2m 31m
Sales % 20% 18% 1% 2% 9%

NSMBWii

  Wii
Userbase 99m
Sales 27m
Sales % 27%

"Mario games" have 99m possible userbase vs over 350m. That's over 3x the possible number of purchasers. YET, their games can and often do still outsell COD on game by game basis on both raw number of sales and especially % of sales to its potential user base (even if you remove PC).

How can anyone argue that Mario is not the video game king?

I shall question your logic. First, you compare a game doesn't even have 6 six on the market (BO2) to a 2009 game (NSMBWii). If you take time into account, BO2 is much, much stronger than NSMBWii.

Mario games having a lesser possible user base doesn't mean much : PS360 owners have a choice between many games in a full array of genres, so it's only normal that one game would have a smaller sales/user base ratio. Wii owners don't have that kind rich library, and many of them probably hardly know there are games beyond mario.

Ultimately, I want to add a new point. In economics you don't just consider units, but value. A CoD game costs 20€ more than your average mario game, not to mention the extra revenue that comes from the DLCs.

For all those reasons, it is clear that Call of Duty is a much bigger business than mario.

As you all know, in economics you don't count DS sales or merchendise sales so this point is valid and strong.