I think people only compare them because of the lackluster sales. Will it pick up when Nintendo releases their big IP's? Maybe, but the appeal of the wii-u will also take a a further nosedive when the "real" next gen consoles hit the stores.

The PS4 and 720 won't have a stellar december at all, I think. What I think they'll have are sustained decent sales throughout the year due to a stronger core following, good 3rd party support, terrific online and connectivity (that I don't give a shit about, mind you, but a lot gamers do as server figures and streaming service numbers will show you) and an overall design philosophy that appeals more to the modern market. I'm not saying that they'll appeal to me much though, from what I've seen so far, the PS4 is focusing mainly on the things I don't care for in gaming and I see no reason to own one in the near future. What casual gamers do won't matter for the Wii U or or the others since they've moved away from home consoles and even handhelds and will remain where they are for now.

Will the Wii U be outsould by the PS4 and 720 in december (and november, depending on when they launch)? Yes, I think it will. News value alone would allow some decent sales for the newcomers, there appears to be a fairly good launch line-up ready and the pricing is bound to be less ridiculous than with the PS3 and 360. I could be wrong though, only time will tell for sure. Without the news value, I think it could be hard for the Wii U to sell as much during holidays 2013 as it did in 2012, unless there's a significant price cut and all the big guns arrive at once to elevate the weekly numbers through the entire season. If a 3D Mario, Mario Kart, Zelda and a price cut hit at once, it will be a daunting task for the PS4 and 720 to beat the Wii U, the trouble is that even if this scenario came true, the Wii U would still suffer slow sales (certainly slower than the competition) for almost the entirety of the new years and spring/summer of 2014 due to the console being designed the way it is, the Gamepad in particular.

The 8th gen will be shorter than the 7th gen and will move considerably less hardware and software, I think that both the PS4 and 720 will outsell the Wii U lifetime but not by a huge amount, overall I think that the market leader will end up with something along the lines of 36-37% marketshare and similar figures on software, 3rd party platform exclusives will basically disappear. Development cycles for hardware are going to go faster while sales will slow down for a multitude of reasons. I think the Wii U will end up selling somewhere around 40-45 million, if you must have a figure, part of the explanation lies in your quote from me in your sig (that I do hope you'll keep) and the main part lies in the simple fact that the Wii U is not a desireable product simply due to the nature of its design philosophy and backwards tech, teamed with poor 3rd party support, poor implementation of the features the Gamepad might offer (much like we saw with the Wii-mote, a truly unfulfilled potential if I ever saw it) and weaker connectivity, less features, less streamlined hardware and software solutions (storage, 3rd party peripherals, OS, e-shop, servers etc). The lack of faith and support from retailers is hurting it as well and will continue to do so, Nintendo's own shipment figures and fiscal results will speak volumes towards this.

Overall, I expect the 8th gen to suffer a historical first; recession in the home console market and the death of the dedicated handheld device.

I'm not afraid of being wrong, I''ve been wrong numerous times but always stayed on the site and always own up to it. Something tells me you don't have the mettle to do the same though, there have been plenty of users like you who simply vanished when things turned sour for them. For my part, the console wars are mostly out of interest for the numbers themselves, I don't feel invested at all in the three manufacturers or their offerings at this point since they all seem to be moving in a direction that would take them even further from what I want (Hollywood games, gimmicks, poor writing, mindless action, silly niche over-the top games, uninteresting online wankfests and childish renditions of once proud franchises and themes). I'll stick with my PC and likely be fine with just that for a long time.

The lack of appeal in the Wii U is not about hardware specs (like the OP seems to think I'm implying), its the sum of a silly controller, poor hardware solutions, lack of support for gadgets, peripherals and, of course, 3rd party titles likely being absent through most of its lifetime and the fact that it is aiming at two different markets without really providing any base designed incentive for either to purchase it. Games and pricing can and will boost weekly sales, but only short terms, the core design of the console and Gamepad will remain the same no matter what and this problem cannot be advertised away either.

Does this answer your questions?

a) on the contrary, I'm crazy about them, but, as it seems - unlike you, I'm not a nerd. I don't play video games with them, I do other stuff they like more (no, I don't mean only having sex). Still, I can't see this being any argument in the conversation about which gaming console is cool. Just a tip - girls won't find you attractive or cool basing on which console you have or what games you play. PS2 was the coolest console ever and I can't remember it being big with girls. Hence, the argument about them allegedly having fun with Wii U is pretty much meaningless, cause it won't make a console cool.

b) ok, I made a mistake, some other N fanboy made such a prediction in different thread today, my bad.

"Mario Sunshine was a dorky name for a game with Mario using a watergun on vacation. Zelda was a cartoon. Metroid Prime may be amazing, but to me it looked weak and boring compared to Halo."

"Also, the Gamecube was a purple lunchbox with a legoland controller."


I wish I could permanently flag you in some list of "Shallow non-gamers whose opinion I will never, ever care about and I would love to block forever."

Super Mario Galaxy and Zelda TP were both visually stunning at the time. In the early days of Wii, HD TV's were rare, and the visual were impressive. People forget that.

But we're also not talking about Wii here.  It's Wii U.  The system need games that maker gamers say this is much better than Wii, and give them a reason to buy it.  A major difference between Wii and Wii U is HD visuals. There haven't been exclusives that do that well enough yet.

Lol, I don't know who hates me more for this thread. Sony fans who want to say Wii U is the next Gamecube or Nintendo fans who want to say there was nothing wrong with Gamecube. LMAO!

the WiiU is targeted at a broad audience i agree. but i was simply stating another factor it had in commen with the gamecube. 

now dont get me wrong on what im about to say in these paragraphs. there are a lot of arguments about this subject but it would be insanse to not consider nintendo fans core gamers. they have the same buying habits as other core gamers on other systems but the only different thing is their taste in games from the ps360 crowd. a lot of people claim that nintendo fans are not core gamers, i dont agree with that at all, but lets look at the "core" audience shall we? lets be honest here, its males, teens and adults (mostly adults). and what are nintendo trying to sell their consoles to these audience with? mario, zelda, metroid, mario kart, 2D mario, super smash bro's. these are the games they are using as system sellers to the core audience. well guess what, they are not. lets be honest here, these games simply dont sell to all adults, now i realize it does sell to some adults. there are some adults who love mario and these nintendo games. a good number as well, millions infact. but the core market is much more than just millions, they are tens of millions and breaking over the 100th million.

here is the problem, nintendo is so fixated that mario is a system seller to core audience. but its not, mario is made and developed to cater to kids. yes, i said it. and its true, does that mean that some adults wont like it? no. does that mean its wrong for adults to like it? certainly not. but dont expect it to be loved by all adults. and certainly dont expect adults to spend 300+ dollars just to play it. heck, i love spongbob square pants, i do. there is really nothing wrong with it, but certainly not every adult likes spongbob right? and certainly not every adult would spend money on anything spongbob related

nintendo is determind and fixated that mario sells to the core, it doesnt! it simply doesnt! look at the gamecube! a nintendo console for the core audince, it got crushed. but lets look before it, the n64, with what is said by most nintendo fans to have the best mario, zelda and star fox games of all time. it had the games that nintendo wanted to use to sell to the adults, and look at how that ended, it got crushed. ok ok, lets look at the Wii! nintendo's bighest success in the home console market. a complete and utter failer when it comes to the core. it just didnt sell to them, why?  because they tried to sell it to them using mario and zelda

i have more to say, but this rant went on for to long lol

Hasn't it occured to you yet that you are simply wrong and no personal bias of other users can affect that? I think it speaks volumes.

Gamecube's library tends to be highly overrated by the Nintendo fans, I find.
Wind Waker and Sunshine were weak for their respective franchises, and along with Starfox Adventures, Double Dash, and Jungle Beat, they made weird design choices that repelled fans.
And yet its first party hits still took it from Dreamcast status to surviving the generation and turning a profit.

Absolutely not.  Not a single person has made a letitimate argument to say that Wii U is anything like Gamecube.  Nintendo fans have said gamecube is great and it's games were great and I"m mean and shallow.  Sony fans have said Wii U sucks and it's not going to sell and it's a flawed system.  But no one has shown that Wii U's philosophy or it's exclusive games are like Gamecube's games.  The systems, the launch situation, the strategy, everything about the systems are polar oposites.  The results may or may not be the same, but the systems are completely different from each other, and no one has shown otherwise.  They have just bashed Wii U and it's chances or bashed my shallow view on gamecube.

Some of the posts on this thread from both sides are quite rational and spark good discussion.  Others, like your's, are just blinded by fandom and add no value at all.