Don't compare WiiU and GameCube

[bananaking21]

TheLastStarFighter said:

bananaking21 said:

TheLastStarFighter said:

kitler53 said:
wiiU and gamecube share the most important characteristic to wiiU's future: the shape of the sales curve.


"I would have every reason to believe that Nintendo has learned what sells and what does not, and Wii U will be receiving Wii-like titles that are system sellers."

if that were so wii wouldn't be sitting at ~1/5 of the currently weekly sales of ps3 or 360. if that were so wiiU wouldn't be sitting at less than vita's weekly sales (aligned for launch).

The sales are currently weak, that's for sure.  But the point is, the games that Nintendo released for Gamecube were not system sellers.  The games they released for Wii were systemd sellers. I would expect the games for Wii U to be more like their Wii counterparts when they come.  And other than sluggish sales, there is almost nothing similar between Wii U and Gamecube, in look, design, function or games.  Their plights are very different.

actually there is, its the target audince that nintendo wants, the market they want to sell to, which is the core audince. the adult males who been playing video games for decades. and there comes a problem with one of your points. mario galaxy1 and 2, Wii sports and the games you listed were system sellers, but to who? the "casual" crowd, the new market the Wii sold to, not the market of gamers who bought the xbox and ps2. the question is, are those games going to be system sellers to the adult gamers or "core" gamers? 

I would say Wii U is targeted at a broad audience, the Wii crowd and the PS360 crowd.  The tablet is an attempt to capitalize on the mainstream popularity of tablets and phones.  WiiU is also a web browser and media player.  Gamecube...I'm not sure of it's target market but it was strictly core gamers, and by it's design I would have to guess strictly children, though I don't know that was their intention.

Wii Sports was a mainstream and new customer focused title, but I wouldn't say that about Galaxy at all.  It is a core title.  That and Zelda:TP are the main reasons I bought a Wii.  A lot of core gamers bought Wii's.  If MarioU and ZeldaU look as impressive as Galaxy and TP looked in their day, a lot of core customers will pick up a WiiU.  If MarioU is Sunshine2 and ZeldaU is a cartoon, many will skip those titles, and the system altogether. 

the WiiU is targeted at a broad audience i agree. but i was simply stating another factor it had in commen with the gamecube. 

now dont get me wrong on what im about to say in these paragraphs. there are a lot of arguments about this subject but it would be insanse to not consider nintendo fans core gamers. they have the same buying habits as other core gamers on other systems but the only different thing is their taste in games from the ps360 crowd. a lot of people claim that nintendo fans are not core gamers, i dont agree with that at all, but lets look at the "core" audience shall we? lets be honest here, its males, teens and adults (mostly adults). and what are nintendo trying to sell their consoles to these audience with? mario, zelda, metroid, mario kart, 2D mario, super smash bro's. these are the games they are using as system sellers to the core audience. well guess what, they are not. lets be honest here, these games simply dont sell to all adults, now i realize it does sell to some adults. there are some adults who love mario and these nintendo games. a good number as well, millions infact. but the core market is much more than just millions, they are tens of millions and breaking over the 100th million.

here is the problem, nintendo is so fixated that mario is a system seller to core audience. but its not, mario is made and developed to cater to kids. yes, i said it. and its true, does that mean that some adults wont like it? no. does that mean its wrong for adults to like it? certainly not. but dont expect it to be loved by all adults. and certainly dont expect adults to spend 300+ dollars just to play it. heck, i love spongbob square pants, i do. there is really nothing wrong with it, but certainly not every adult likes spongbob right? and certainly not every adult would spend money on anything spongbob related

nintendo is determind and fixated that mario sells to the core, it doesnt! it simply doesnt! look at the gamecube! a nintendo console for the core audince, it got crushed. but lets look before it, the n64, with what is said by most nintendo fans to have the best mario, zelda and star fox games of all time. it had the games that nintendo wanted to use to sell to the adults, and look at how that ended, it got crushed. ok ok, lets look at the Wii! nintendo's bighest success in the home console market. a complete and utter failer when it comes to the core. it just didnt sell to them, why?  because they tried to sell it to them using mario and zelda

i have more to say, but this rant went on for to long lol