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TheLastStarFighter on 25 March 2013
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VGKing said:
TheLastStarFighter said:
VGKing said:
TheLastStarFighter said:

Can people please stop comparing these systems.  In particular, I'm tired of the statement that Gamecube had lots of awesome games and didn't sell well, so how are games going to help WiiU.  The systems are nothing alike.

People say Mario Sunshine, Zelda: Windwaker, Smash Brothers, Luigi's Mansion, Pikmin, Metroid Prime and MarioKart DD couldn't sell Gamecube and they were amazing games.  I'm sorry, but they aren't.  Well, they may be great games, but I wouldn't know, because I didn't play them and didn't want to. I bought a PS2 instead.  And an XBox.  Mario Sunshine was a dorky name for a game with Mario using a watergun on vacation.  Zelda was a cartoon.  Metroid Prime may be amazing, but to me it looked weak and boring compared to Halo.

Now, when I saw Super Mario Galaxy, Zelda: TP and Wii Sports, I was sold on a Wii in an instant.  The realistic, epic-looking Zelda and the mind-blowing Mario Galaxy were spectacular.  Throw in New Super Mario Bros Wii for good measure and you have some serious 1st party titles that appeal to me and a lot of other people.

When it comes to Wii U, we haven't seen the major titles yet.  I would have every reason to believe that Nintendo has learned what sells and what does not, and Wii U will be receiving Wii-like titles that are system sellers.  The Mario will follow that path of Galaxy and be impressive visually and have an appealing theme.  Mario won't likely be going on vacation again, ever, especially with WiiU sales struggling.  Zelda will likely be a back-to-basics graphical showcase that sucks in core gamers.  No waterguns.  No toons.  As such, the games will likely appeal to a broad audience - the Wii audience - and move systems.

Also, the Gamecube was a purple lunchbox with a legoland controller.  I know some of you may have loved it, but most adults and many teens wouldn't touch it, rightly or wrongly.  No amount of good games could sell it.  Wii U is sleek, black (or white) and contemporary looking.  Give it games and people will be happy to have it in their living room.

You just contradicted yourself. You say New Super Mario Bros appeals to you and a lot of people yet you gon on to say that Wii U hasn't seen any major titles yet when it had New Super Mario Bros U on DAY 1. This leads me to believe that this WILL BE THE NEXT GAMECUBE. A mass appeal game has failed to sustain hardware sales over a long period of time. Will a Mario Kart of Smash Bros make any difference? They sure didn't for the Gamecube.

No, I didn't contradict myself, you misread what I wrote.  I said I bought the Wii because of WIi Sports, Zelda: TP and Mario Galaxy.  NSMBWii was gravy. I said all of those titles together made for a great lineup, not just one of them.

Wii launched with two innovative and impressive titles in Zelda and WiiSports.  Mario Galaxy was already announced to be coming and launched in time for the huge 2007 Christmas season.

NSMB is a great title, but on WIi it released in timing with the 2009 price drop to $199, when Wii really went mass-market. It was a poor Wii U launch title because it offered little in the way of inovation or impressive graphics.

Now, if Mario U and MarioKart U hit this Christmas and are impressive titles, and Zelda is shown and is impressive, those titles will move systems, and NSMBU will be another nice one to have in the library.  NSMBU is not enough alone, especially since it is too similar to NSMBWii and NSMB2.

When has a Wii game ever relied on graphics or innovation to sell? Look at SSBB that game is just the sequel to Melee but with differenc characters and some supers. Hardly any innovation yet it sold millions.

Do you think Mario Kart U will offer a gigantic leap over Mario Kart Wii to make people buy the $300 Wii U?
Zelda isn't anywhere near being done either so do you think the remake of the Gamecube Zelda will push systems? I don't.

Just like NSMBU is too similar to NSMBWII, so will every other Nintendo title released this year and the next will be. What Nintendo is new IP. It needs the next Wii Sports or the next Zelda or Mario. Pikmin isn't it. Wii Fit U won't have the same effect as on the original.

It's an uphill battle for Nintendo and I don't see a light at the end of the tunnel. Instead of enjoying the first year on the market without competition they are struggling to communicate to people that the Wii U isn't just an add-on for the Wii.

Super Mario Galaxy and Zelda TP were both visually stunning at the time. In the early days of Wii, HD TV's were rare, and the visual were impressive. People forget that.

But we're also not talking about Wii here.  It's Wii U.  The system need games that maker gamers say this is much better than Wii, and give them a reason to buy it.  A major difference between Wii and Wii U is HD visuals. There haven't been exclusives that do that well enough yet.