Well the baseline is probably Gamecube sales, which will cover all the Nintendo fans. Then you add the amount of "casual" audience they get, which they seemed to overestimate. It didn't captivate people like the Wii did, and as it ages it's much less likely to suddenly become popular. So far, this doesn't make a 1st or 2nd place console. All that's left are transitioning gamers from PS3 and 360.

To me, that is the focus now. What does the Wii U offer to someone who owns a PS3/360? You can't really include any old Nintendo franchises, because if they had any interest they would have been buying Nintendo by now. I would genuinely like to know what Nintendo are thinking. I don't want the Wii U to be useless for anything other than first party games, and I want them to prove that we wouldn't all get the same experience if they went third party.

How many more times can nintendo make the same games over and over before people want change? I'm saying it, every mario kart and pokemon game is basically the same thing. It's also a little worrisome that almost every platform has outsold the wiiU almost every week since its release. They are down, and if they don't change what they are doing, they are out. 

i like how you tell people to show you proof, but then you go around saying stuff without proof lmao. Mid 20's? Really?! I was 12 years old playing SSBM with lots of people in their 20's. Its very competitive game tht also suits casuals. Where is your proof that mid 20's dont play SSB? WTH seriously pls dont ask others to prove something while you cant do the same. 1 last thing, 12% in gaming is a huge success, A FREAKING HUGE SUCCESS!!! cuz in your logic every game failed on PS2, when thats the best console ever made.

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You do realize of coarse that your lists amount to about two really good games per year. That qualifies as starvation. While the other platforms average six or more per year. That qualifies as being well fed.

A good number of titles on your list did not achieve a meta score of over ninety. Excite Truck, Super Paper Mario, both of the Kirby Games, one of the Metroids, Mario Kart, and none of the Donkey Kong games qualify as fantastic console exclusives. Ruminate on this for a moment. The Wii had all of fourteen games with a meta rating of ninety or higher. While the 360 had fifty, and the PS3 had forty five. There just isn't any comparison. The Wii was just plain bereft of really good games.

It isn't my imagination. It is yours for actually thinking the platform had a lot of fantastic first party titles. Which it plainly did not.

Ain't that the truth!! He never backs up his claims, and yet asks others to do so. And he always avoid posts that are a bit too uncomfortable.

the worst part is he keeps going on post after post lol. Oh well, shouldn't get worked up i guess

Who is the judge when it comes to a game being easy or not? Which is the bar? You?

Is Zelda a very easy game? I really don't think it's "really easy" for the masses, it's quite difficult to complete 100% and easy to get stuck with, not for a long time follower of the series like myself or you perhaps, but yes for those just starting or not accustomed to play puzzle or quest solving games/enemy fights. And Zelda's difficulty doesn't emanate from other players, as opposed with multiplayer heavy games like COD or Halo, it comes from the imaginative and carefully crafted design by very capable and talented devs. Nintendo does try to help the player, now more than in previous gens, there are far more hints and things are easier to spot in order not to get stuck, or you have the super guide, but that's your choice, I choose not to spoil anything and continue until I overcome the hurdle. Find me any game which single player campaign lasts an average of 50 hours, JUST to finish it for the first time, not going for 100%.

By your definition no game is really hard, therefore not hardcore. Halo is easy, Assassin's Creed is easy, Prince of Persia is easy, Resident Evil is easy, Dead Space is easy. I mean, I have had no problems with those games, therefore they must becasual games, because I am the bar which needs to be followed if you want to know if a game is hardcore or not. I've found Candy Crush Saga (A facebook game) quite more difficult than Resident Evil 5 and I've proabably poured more hours into it. Hence we can conclude that RE5 is an game which should be dismissed by cores due to its inherent status of "easy", and people should definitely embrace games like Lost Bubble or Candy Crush Saga due to their superiority as they are harder. Let's just ignore the production values, the replay value, the design value of such games. If you can't finish a game, then that's a true core game. Games you can finish, wtf, they are so easy, not worth anyone's time.

Moving on, Smash Bros Brawl is definitely a failure. 11.5 million games, on a userbase of 100 million? around 10% of all potential sales is horrific. However, when this mediocre selling game number 8 in the best selling Wii exclusive list, beats single handedly all exclusive PS3 games and all but one of the 360 exclusives, then we can know for a fact that PS3 and 360 are not machines that many people want, they are niche. The only popular and acclaimed game outside of Wii's other 7 games on top of Smash, is Kinect Adventures. The 360 is clearly a casual machine, as we can conclude from this very educated and thought out post. Not our fault that we have garnered the education that was needed to see things that no one did before.

Uncharted, Call of Duty, Assassin's Creed, Halo, Mass Effect, and Skyrim are easy too, but I bet you'd call at least some of them "core" games.

And regardless of install base, 10 million plus IS a massive number for a console exclusive. And it's predecessor, Melee, sold 7 million on the 22 million selling Gamecube.

Like I said, you're clearly not familiar with SSB's audience or the impact Brawl made in '08. I don't need to back up common knowledge.

And the Wii won't play Smash Bros U or Mario Kart U.