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Good marketing is connecting quality products with people who WANT to buy them, if only they knew about them. Sales has a negative connotation but when done right, both parties should go away happier; the customer with something they didn't know they needed and you with the knowledge you've helped them.



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As I type this out on my WII U, I can't help but agree. The Wii ruined Nintendo's reputation.



pokoko said:
Could it be a case where Nintendo's abandonment of the Wii actually hurts the Wii U? That people have "moved on"? That makes me wonder how many Wii owners have bought a PS3 or 360.

The other part, which I think is factual enough to go beyond speculation, is that a higher number of Wii owners weren't gamers to begin with and only bought one because it went viral. They played it at someone's house, bought it, then got bored with it--not because the Wii itself is boring, I'm not saying that, but because they really weren't as interested in playing videogames as they thought, or because it was only fun for them in a group setting. I'm sure most of us know people who fit that description. I know a man who bought one because he thought it would help him to lose weight but, unfortunately, he got bored of exercising with it almost immediately.

I can certainly see the logic there, and we do all have that anecdote (in my case, my grandmother, who never bought a single piece of software for the thing between when she bought it and when she gave it to me to sell when she was terminal, going off of Wii Sports and NSMBWii bundled), however the sustained software sales in casual or semi-casual fields (like how Lego Batman DC Superheroes did great on Wii, even well after Nintendo's abandonment) show that quite a few of them also latched on.



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RolStoppable said:
BlowoverKing said:
RolStoppable said:
Sounds like you are a bad salesman. You should have countered that statement by saying that that's why people buy more games for their system and if they ever need advice on new game purchases, then you or a co-worker will be there to help them. Nobody keeps playing the same one or two games forever.

HAHA no, im not saying i'm the best salesman but i'm better than mst people I work with.  The thing is what game(s) with lasting value should a family with an 11 year old girl and an 8 year old boy have bought in the last year? The games they said they had for the Wii were Mario Bros. wii, Mario Galaxy, Wii Sports, Just dance 3, and some Disney Princess game. 

You can think like a "hardcore" gamer when you deal with people who bought a system because it had a disney princess game their daughter wanted.

How about Mario Kart or Animal Crossing? It really isn't hard to think of additional quality games suited for their tastes when all they own is five games. It will also be irrelevant to them that these games came out years ago. At the same time it doesn't matter to such people that Nintendo abandoned the Wii; they don't even know about it.

It really sounds like you aren't interested in doing your job as a salesman and if it's true that you are better than most people you work with, then it's no wonder that less dedicated consumers are dropping out of the console market. Apparently they don't get any real help.

Fist of all you have no right to criticize my sales skills without actually being there for the entire interaction. What I gave was a breif overview of the conversation.

You don't think I brought them over to the Wii games and have them point out to me which games they had then ask them why they haven't bought X or Y?  Whenever I pointed out games like MK, Donky Kong, Sonic Colors, or Zelda mom would say " they don't like those games" and I would ask " how do you know if they havent played them?" to which her stupid response was "because i'm their mother". So i Grabbed Sonic Colors because it was only like $15 and asked the kids if they would want to play it. The boy said yes but the girl said no. The girl just wanted more Disney games but the mother kept saying that it isn't worth buying them games she doesn't see them liking blah blah blah.

So look I don't just ask people if they want to buy stuff and leave. If they just want a game i go with them to the say PS3 games aisle and ask them what games they like and recommend games of that nature. If they are looking into systems you always ask if this is there first system, what games they enjoy, and who is the main user going to be. Then you bring them to the demo unit of the console that suites their needs the most, give them the rundown on what features the system has, and let them play it first hand. Lastly you show them what games are offerd on the system of their choice and what accessories would help make the system more enjoyable. 

So as you can see I do in fact help people and give them an experience that they can't get with just buying online or ESPECIALLY going to Gamestop. Ohhh the mess Gamestop can cause. They had a guy convinced that the Wii U Gamepad could be played anywhere even in the car.



PSN: extremeM

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BasilZero said:

No. Nintendo's still making some money out of the Wiis that are being sold.

The reason why the Wii-U isnt doing so well is because of its game library and its price which doesnt seem to be too appealing for the masses when you dont have that much of a decent gaming library (or at least one that includes enough exclusives to be worth it).

Not much worth buying a Wii-U for third party software when you have like three other platforms which offer the same games and at cheaper prices at times. Doesnt justify cashing in another $300+ just for those software when their being sold at full price.


Ok but will those people who are still buying the Wii buy the Wii U? Or will they be turned off because after a while they will be bored of the Wii and not see value in purchasing a Wii U.  Remember these are people who buy a system because of 1 or 2 games and not people who actually play games regularly like everyone on this site.



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RolStoppable said:
BlowoverKing said:

Fist of all you have no right to criticize my sales skills without actually being there for the entire interaction. What I gave was a breif overview of the conversation.

You don't think I brought them over to the Wii games and have them point out to me which games they had then ask them why they haven't bought X or Y?  Whenever I pointed out games like MK, Donky Kong, Sonic Colors, or Zelda mom would say " they don't like those games" and I would ask " how do you know if they havent played them?" to which her stupid response was "because i'm their mother". So i Grabbed Sonic Colors because it was only like $15 and asked the kids if they would want to play it. The boy said yes but the girl said no. The girl just wanted more Disney games but the mother kept saying that it isn't worth buying them games she doesn't see them liking blah blah blah.

So look I don't just ask people if they want to buy stuff and leave. If they just want a game i go with them to the say PS3 games aisle and ask them what games they like and recommend games of that nature. If they are looking into systems you always ask if this is there first system, what games they enjoy, and who is the main user going to be. Then you bring them to the demo unit of the console that suites their needs the most, give them the rundown on what features the system has, and let them play it first hand. Lastly you show them what games are offerd on the system of their choice and what accessories would help make the system more enjoyable. 

So as you can see I do in fact help people and give them an experience that they can't get with just buying online or ESPECIALLY going to Gamestop. Ohhh the mess Gamestop can cause. They had a guy convinced that the Wii U Gamepad could be played anywhere even in the car.

Alright, I am willing to trust you, but my point about incompetent salesmen still stands. You even reaffirm it in your last paragraph.


Thank you, and yes I agree that most people shouldn't be working as a salesman unless they are passionate about what they are selling. Most people apply to Gamestop and even Best Buy because they think it's "cool" or just need a job at all costs without actually liking the product they are trying to sell.



PSN: extremeM

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BasilZero said:
BlowoverKing said:
BasilZero said:

No. Nintendo's still making some money out of the Wiis that are being sold.

The reason why the Wii-U isnt doing so well is because of its game library and its price which doesnt seem to be too appealing for the masses when you dont have that much of a decent gaming library (or at least one that includes enough exclusives to be worth it).

Not much worth buying a Wii-U for third party software when you have like three other platforms which offer the same games and at cheaper prices at times. Doesnt justify cashing in another $300+ just for those software when their being sold at full price.


Ok but will those people who are still buying the Wii buy the Wii U? Or will they be turned off because after a while they will be bored of the Wii and not see value in purchasing a Wii U.  Remember these are people who buy a system because of 1 or 2 games and not people who actually play games regularly like everyone on this site.


Do you honestly believe people will pay $300+ for something that they'll more than likely not invest time into doing? Even if the Wii was halted in production, people will either buy it off of sites like Ebay, stores that sell used consoles, or if all else fails for them attempt to emulate the system on their PC.

Pretty sure those people who are buying the Wiis are either

a) People who just want a cheap game system to play something that is available or has been available for quite some time and is available for a cheaper price.
b) Re-buying a game system since its cheaper in case their other system is old/broken/or that they want one just in case for the future.
c) families wanting to buy something for their young children who are new to gaming - something that they can easily invest on rather than paying hundreds of dollars on a new system, controllers and full priced games.

Its kinda the same reason why people invest on mobile gaming since technically they buy a phone for other uses but see the gaming aspects being cheap affordable and worth getting it.


Of course they will!! You would be very suprised at how stupid the average consumer can be. They WILL buy a product blindly without second thought. I've seen people buy things like 3D TV with smart apps thinking they will use it but never even get a 3D blu-ray player or have wi-fi! 



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BlowoverKing said:
RolStoppable said:
BlowoverKing said:

Fist of all you have no right to criticize my sales skills without actually being there for the entire interaction. What I gave was a breif overview of the conversation.

You don't think I brought them over to the Wii games and have them point out to me which games they had then ask them why they haven't bought X or Y?  Whenever I pointed out games like MK, Donky Kong, Sonic Colors, or Zelda mom would say " they don't like those games" and I would ask " how do you know if they havent played them?" to which her stupid response was "because i'm their mother". So i Grabbed Sonic Colors because it was only like $15 and asked the kids if they would want to play it. The boy said yes but the girl said no. The girl just wanted more Disney games but the mother kept saying that it isn't worth buying them games she doesn't see them liking blah blah blah.

So look I don't just ask people if they want to buy stuff and leave. If they just want a game i go with them to the say PS3 games aisle and ask them what games they like and recommend games of that nature. If they are looking into systems you always ask if this is there first system, what games they enjoy, and who is the main user going to be. Then you bring them to the demo unit of the console that suites their needs the most, give them the rundown on what features the system has, and let them play it first hand. Lastly you show them what games are offerd on the system of their choice and what accessories would help make the system more enjoyable. 

So as you can see I do in fact help people and give them an experience that they can't get with just buying online or ESPECIALLY going to Gamestop. Ohhh the mess Gamestop can cause. They had a guy convinced that the Wii U Gamepad could be played anywhere even in the car.

Alright, I am willing to trust you, but my point about incompetent salesmen still stands. You even reaffirm it in your last paragraph.


Thank you, and yes I agree that most people shouldn't be working as a salesman unless they are passionate about what they are selling. Most people apply to Gamestop and even Best Buy because they think it's "cool" or just need a job at all costs without actually liking the product they are trying to sell.

I used to work for Eb games back in the day, was in management and I discovered the people we hired that really had no interest in games were the better sales people because they weren't instilling their bias on the customer and didn't try to force them one way or the other. Even I had a problem when talking to customers not trying to get them to play games I liked instead of finding out what games THEY liked.

 

I learned more on beaing a good salesperson from the non-gamer employees.

 

Remember, it's easier to teach a good salesperson product knowledge than teach a gamer how to be a salesperson.



Booyah said:
BlowoverKing said:
RolStoppable said:
BlowoverKing said:

Fist of all you have no right to criticize my sales skills without actually being there for the entire interaction. What I gave was a breif overview of the conversation.

You don't think I brought them over to the Wii games and have them point out to me which games they had then ask them why they haven't bought X or Y?  Whenever I pointed out games like MK, Donky Kong, Sonic Colors, or Zelda mom would say " they don't like those games" and I would ask " how do you know if they havent played them?" to which her stupid response was "because i'm their mother". So i Grabbed Sonic Colors because it was only like $15 and asked the kids if they would want to play it. The boy said yes but the girl said no. The girl just wanted more Disney games but the mother kept saying that it isn't worth buying them games she doesn't see them liking blah blah blah.

So look I don't just ask people if they want to buy stuff and leave. If they just want a game i go with them to the say PS3 games aisle and ask them what games they like and recommend games of that nature. If they are looking into systems you always ask if this is there first system, what games they enjoy, and who is the main user going to be. Then you bring them to the demo unit of the console that suites their needs the most, give them the rundown on what features the system has, and let them play it first hand. Lastly you show them what games are offerd on the system of their choice and what accessories would help make the system more enjoyable. 

So as you can see I do in fact help people and give them an experience that they can't get with just buying online or ESPECIALLY going to Gamestop. Ohhh the mess Gamestop can cause. They had a guy convinced that the Wii U Gamepad could be played anywhere even in the car.

Alright, I am willing to trust you, but my point about incompetent salesmen still stands. You even reaffirm it in your last paragraph.


Thank you, and yes I agree that most people shouldn't be working as a salesman unless they are passionate about what they are selling. Most people apply to Gamestop and even Best Buy because they think it's "cool" or just need a job at all costs without actually liking the product they are trying to sell.

I used to work for Eb games back in the day, was in management and I discovered the people we hired that really had no interest in games were the better sales people because they weren't instilling their bias on the customer and didn't try to force them one way or the other. Even I had a problem when talking to customers not trying to get them to play games I liked instead of finding out what games THEY liked.

 

I learned more on beaing a good salesperson from the non-gamer employees.

 

Remember, it's easier to teach a good salesperson product knowledge than teach a gamer how to be a salesperson.


huh never thought of it that way but now that you point it out it makes sense. If you can't let go of you own preferences then you could never be a great  salesperson but I think if you can like I had to do then its just as good if not better. I had to swallow my PlayStation pride and see that not everyone will like PlayStation. Not only has it made me a better salesman but also a better gamer. 



PSN: extremeM

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The curse of the casuals. Casuals can't be relied upon for multiple generations.

I figured the "I've got a Wii already" would keep a lot of the Wii owners away from Wii U. But I didn't think it would also be "and no one plays it."



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