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Nsanity said:
KingHades said:
Wright said:
KingHades said:

I can't take you seriously anymore if you really think that. If LBP wasn't groundbreaking it would not have gotten above a 90 on metacritic.

4 Player Co-Op offline wow that's.........nice.

Yes your description of Grounbreaking describes every game I listed. LBP,UC2,SMG,Arkham City all ground breaking if they weren't they wouldn't get above a 90 on meacritic.  You still haven't refuted my post what grounbreaking game has Rare made since joining microsoft.

Go ahead I can wait.


Let me understand something first, before making another statement. So, by that logic, every +90 metacritic game is groundbreaking? Think carefully, very, very carefully.

Ok let me rephrase that most games that don't get above a 90 are usually games without any innovation.

Uncharted 1 to 2 is a perfect example 88 to a 96 is a jump in innovation.

2009 was also a dry season for games.

Dry season lol you probably didn't even complete half of the games that came out in 2009 and your calling it a dry season lmao.



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DigitalDevilSummoner said:
kowenicki said:
.... just like the 360 and PS3 aren't strictly about games.

Come on now, at least try to be subjective.


The ps3 has been way more balanced as a media / gaming machine unlike the 360. case in point; Usher @ 2012 e3


Usher was there to promote a game. -.-



Imagine not having GamePass on your console...

thismeintiel said:
So, I guess this is pretty much confirming the rumors of the NeXbox. PS4 will focus on core gaming, with a bit of casual gaming and multimedia functions thrown in. NeXbox will probably be focused on casual gaming and multimedia functions, with a bit of core gaming thrown in.


Ah so the Xbox 3 hardware is for casuals now?

At the end of the day it comes down to the developers and what they create with the hardware. And with all the talent MS hired from core gaming studios, I doubt the Xbox 3 won't have enough core titles.



Imagine not having GamePass on your console...

People already forgetting about the big Wonderbook presence at last years E3.



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VGKing said:
crissindahouse said:

ps4 won't be strictly about games neither, otherwise we couldn't watch movies with consoles or whatever else even this gen. the "everything only for the gamers" is just a myth even for ps4 but that microsoft tries to make a full multimedia machine out of the next console should everyone know nowadays even without the braid guy saying it. and i have absolutely no problem with it, i just can't use most the stuff here lol.

i just hope nextbox won't be much weaker as ps4 if it comes to gaming capabilities because then, even most ps4 games could suffer from it if nextbox+wii u would sell much more as ps4. maybe the same game would look better on ps4 but i don't think they would try as much as if ps4 and nextbox would be much closer in specs and those two consoles combined would dominate the market.

I don't think people care if a console has multi-media features, in fact most of use want that. But when they put multimedia over games that is crossing the line.

Multimedia has obviously become a bigger focus, but over games? No.

Why is MS putting out a new powerful machine if their current console is perfectly capable of playing multimedia?

I'll tell ya why, games! MS clearly isn't putting much focus on bringing games to the 360. So what are all their studios? Hmmmm... I dunno... maybe working on 720 games?



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SOLIDSNAKE08 said:
entertainment apps will be the primary focus of the new xbox. games are secondary for microsoft.


I know that this seems to be the current thought process but in the pass 2 years MS has purchase or built about 5 game studios.  From about 13 studios that MS has, we have not seem anything.  It's a good bet that all of those studios will be releasing games for the next Xbox.

you can bet both Sony and MShave the same goal in a media hub and the PS4 will integrate with all of Sony stuff.  The key will be which one will be able to execute their plan the best.



Machiavellian said:
SOLIDSNAKE08 said:
entertainment apps will be the primary focus of the new xbox. games are secondary for microsoft.


I know that this seems to be the current thought process but in the pass 2 years MS has purchase or built about 5 game studios.  From about 13 studios that MS has, we have not seem anything.  It's a good bet that all of those studios will be releasing games for the next Xbox.

you can bet both Sony and MShave the same goal in a media hub and the PS4 will integrate with all of Sony stuff.  The key will be which one will be able to execute their plan the best.


Kinect Fitnessgames don't count
We all have seen that list where a lot of unanounced Kinect games are listed.
The focus of Microsoft is the Media and Casual market cause they know the other people are satisfied with the Next Halo Trilogy already.

We know most studios Sony has are working on 2 Games(except PD cause they only do GT) and most of those studios are on the quality level of Naughty Dog.
Sorry Sony is putting a lot more effort in GAMING than anyone right now - PS3 even gets a lot of new games in 2013 and a new core IP from Naughty Dog and Quantic Dream.



NightDragon83 said:

I'm sure M$ is a bit difficult to work with, but to me it sounds like this guy has been drinking a little bit of the Sony Kool-Aid... and by that I mean they probably threw him a nice bonus check to talk nice about them while keeping his new game as an exclusive (for the time being) on their new console.

Nope.  He got no extra money from Sony for being exclusive.  There was actually no exclusive contract at all until they spoke with him about appearing at the PS4 reveal, and that was a simple trade in exchange for the exposure of speaking to a huge audience.

The thing is, like many small developers, he can only do one console port at a time.  He chose the PS4 because he likes dealing with Sony more than with Microsoft, it's as simple as that.  Remember that Braid first appeared on XBLA, so it's not like he's some Sony-only fanboy.  His opinion appears to have been developed after working with both.  I don't know how we can dispute that, except those of us who have also had the same experiences.

I also think people are taking the "not strictly about games" line a bit too literally.  We know Sony wants the PS4 to do all the social stuff, but it appears that their social networking revolves around gaming.  That's what they're pushing, a game-centric console with all the other stuff included.  In his opinion, Microsoft is pushing their new console as something where the gaming is only part of the focus, as they're going after a larger audience.  That might just be an impression on his part or it might be based on talking with other developers who have far more information that we do, I really don't know.

The core of the problem with Microsoft seems to be that they have lawyers and businessment dealing with the developers, with very little regard for making it a good experience for them.  Big publishers have lawyers and businessmen of their own to handle this but small developers have to do it themselves and they mostly hate it.  There are also instances of clear arrogance, as with Machinarium, where Microsoft is unwilling to work with a studio because of stupid rules and regulations.  Microsoft kept that game off XBLA for the dumbest of reasons.

What Microsoft needs to do next gen is to get some people between the developers and the businesspeople, who care about helping the developers have a good experience.  They also need to review their processes and remove some of the more ridiculous restrictions.  Too many people have complained for it to be dismissed.  This is obviously something that can be fixed.  It's just up to Microsoft to decide if it's worth it.



VGKing said:
Trunkin said:
VGKing said:
Looks like developers are falling back in love with Sony. If this isn't an indication of why the PS4 could bet the #1 console next-gen, I don't know what is.

I don't think indie games sell many systems...

Never said they did. But as a whole, if PS4 becomes the place for indie games over the next Xbox, that would be a selling point to many.

I agree with this. It reminds me of devs moving from SNES to PSX for similar reasons (oppressive policies). Things like these cause resentment in developers and is a very bad way to go, because we know how that sour feeling is sticking with Nintendo to this day.

It's best to court developers, no matter how small they are. Indie devs may be small time now, but they are making money, and slowly slowly they will become big time as well and challenge the current giants in the industry, breaking the status quo.

It will be a good thing for the industry as a whole, and as such I embrace it.