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Forums - Sales - So it's widely known as a fact that many Nintendo games have ridiculous legs. But here's the question that no one really bother to ask...why is this so?

Mazty on 07 March 2013
BasilZero said:
Mazty said:
BasilZero said:

1.2394933934 - thats how much I care about your sources.

Hi, I told you to list a game that was comparable to the ones I listed from Nintendo that is from Sony/Microsoft - you instead decided to go ahead and post about something else - so I provided you the top most sold first party franchise/game from each side. Again God of War 3 and Halo 3 does not match up to what I was looking for but nice try.

The logic is why should you a average gamer worry about what someone calls a system that hasnt even been relevant to the industry in terms of sales impact hardware wise ever since the PS2 took its stage. That is my logic - you shouldnt worry about such little things and even going as far as making a rant about it on another topic.

Again...I'm going to ask why did you quote me and mention the Wii-U when it had nothing to do with the topic at hand, this whole discussion wouldnt happen if you didnt do that. Even the OP himself few posts ago asked why did the discussion bring up the Wii-U.

Well if you're going to dismiss sources for literally no reason, I'm going to end this conversation as clearly you don't want to actually have a mature, logical debate. 

If you want to debate why you should call a console by the dev name, take it to PM'ing as you are now just going off-topic.

Mature logical debate lol. You are funny.

I love how you are avoiding my question - why did you quote my original post which is relevant to the topic and responding to it about the Wii-U which isnt even what the OP wanted to talk about.

What gives Nintendo games such massively drawn out sales periods and 8year long shelf lives?

And why are certain Nintendo franchises absent from these patterns? (Zelda,Fire Emblem)

I answered the first part - you didnt when you quoted me , instead you used the Wii-U as a argument when this thread had nothing to do with sales.

People didnt want to debate when they called the PS1 PSX, its how their gonna refer the system, its their preference. You cant change people like especially with the route you used. I did not go off topic at all. I asked you the same question and I'm asking you the question again.

What part of my original posts (first two) where I stated that its because of Mario being known and loved by the masses for years considered to be a wrong statement/opinion to the topic. What part of my post was wrong, please explain it to me without mentioning the Wii-U which is irrelevant to the main point of the topic. See I am staying on topic - you are not.

I edited and replied:

"You said the Nintendo franchises are loved by the masses. I said if that was the case, surely the Wii U would have sold more. In other words, Nintendo franchises are not loved by the masses, evident by the low Wii U sales. "

What gave other Nintendo games such long legs is the complete lack of sequels Nintendo do. If you want to play a popular FPS on the 360, you get the latest Halo, not Halo 3. This has become more apparent with the MP generation we live in. You don't get an old game if it has a stong MP element as those players will most likely have migrated onto the sequel. 

If you want to talk about calling a console by its dev name, take it to my wall/messages as it's off topic. This is the last time I'm addressing that point. 



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Mazty on 07 March 2013
BasilZero said:
Mazty said:

You said the Nintendo franchises are loved by the masses. I said if that was the case, surely the Wii U would have sold more. In other words, Nintendo franchises are not loved by the masses, evident by the low Wii U sales. 


Yes Nintendo franchises are loved and WELL known by the masses. I can go to a person and literally ask them if they played a Mario, Pokemon, Donkey Kong or Zelda game and 95% chance they'll say yes they played it (and or loved it). You cant say the same thing about Sony's franchises (the recent ones) or Majority of Microsoft's (except for Halo but that is thin compared to Nintendo's impact on the industry and the world).

And lol giving the argument of a system that costs more than its current competitors and that it only has one GREAT game that has 1.50+ mil copies sold which is like half of the total hardware, yes mario is not popular at all -ya u right, those 1.85 mil copies were just bought cause the covers looked pretty l0l

Anyways again you are the one who is going off topic and I'm going to ask you again

What part of my original posts (first two) where I stated that its because of Mario being known and loved by the masses for years considered to be a wrong statement/opinion to the topic. What part of my post was wrong, please explain it to me without mentioning the Wii-U which is irrelevant to the main point of the topic.


If the franchises are loved then why has the Wii U shifted so little? There is a Mario game on the Wii U, and yet the sales are so low, people are questioning the future of Nintendo. How can a franchise that is so loved result in such poor performance?

95%? Okay you are literally just making numbers up. I'm not about to have a debate with someone who dismisses Forbes and then makes up numbers to suit his argument. 

Also, ironic that you say you're not going to argue about the name of the Playstation, and yet were the one to bring it up...



scottie on 07 March 2013

No-one asked it because everyone knows the answers to it.

Nintendo prioritises gameplay over graphics. Halo1 is outdated, GT1 is outdated, Super Mario Bros 1 is not.

High length of game and replayability reduces 2nd hand sales - your typical HD 3rd party game has a playtime of anywhere between 6 and maybe 16 hours - all the copies bought in launch week are sold back shortly after, forcing a price drop of the new game to catch up, and even then, 2nd hand are still cheaper, reducing sales from that point on. Nintendo games last 60-200+ hours (a lot more than 200 in the case of SSB or Mario Kart), and thus are not sold back to stores.

A lot of people buying certain Nintendo games are families, kids etc. They do not read up on games beforehand, they do not line up at midnight. They will buy MK, Wii Fit or whatever when they feel like it, when they get tax back, or when bills were less than they expected, or their car gets through its rego check without needing anything done to it. They buy games for birthdays. This is why Fire Emblem and Zelda do not have such good legs. Fire Emblem owners are game forum dwellers, and to a reasonable extent, so are most Zelda owners.



Kaizar on 07 March 2013
Otakumegane said:

 What gives Nintendo games such massively drawn out sales periods and 8year long shelf lives?

And why are certain Nintendo franchises absent from these patterns? (Zelda,Fire Emblem)


Actually, Fire Embelm: Awakeing has a 8 year long shelf life.

But I don't think Zelda ever will.



sethnintendo on 07 March 2013
scottie said:
This is why Fire Emblem and Zelda do not have such good legs. Fire Emblem owners are game forum dwellers, and to a reasonable extent, so are most Zelda owners.

Plus, Fire Emblem is TBS (turn based strategy) which doesn't have a huge following besides Civilization.  I love TBS games though such as FE, Advance Wars, Civilization, etc..  I'm actually a little surprised how much demand for FE in USA right now.  Apparently, they didn't ship that many physical copies to USA and there is a shortage in a lot of areas.  I finally tracked down a physical copy but I know many that just gave up and bought it on the eshop (D21, Smeags, and a few others).  So for some reason Fire Emblem is more in demand now then it has ever been in the USA.



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Kaizar on 07 March 2013
sethnintendo said:
scottie said:
This is why Fire Emblem and Zelda do not have such good legs. Fire Emblem owners are game forum dwellers, and to a reasonable extent, so are most Zelda owners.

Plus, Fire Emblem is TBS (turn based strategy) which doesn't have a huge following besides Civilization.  I love TBS games though such as FE, Advance Wars, Civilization, etc..  I'm actually a little surprised how much demand for FE in USA right now.  Apparently, they didn't ship that many physical copies to USA and there is a shortage in a lot of areas.  I finally tracked down a physical copy but I know many that just gave up and bought it on the eshop (D21, Smeags, and a few others).  So for some reason Fire Emblem is more in demand now then it has ever been in the USA.


Well Fire Embelm Awakening and any new ones after this, will all have 8 year long shelf life.

I hope Fire Emblem becomes a 3DS exclusive like Paper Mario & Kid Icarus did, which will never be on the Wii U literally.



Mazty on 07 March 2013
BasilZero said:
Mazty said:


If the franchises are loved then why has the Wii U shifted so little? There is a Mario game on the Wii U, and yet the sales are so low, people are questioning the future of Nintendo. How can a franchise that is so loved result in such poor performance?

95%? Okay you are literally just making numbers up. I'm not about to have a debate with someone who dismisses Forbes and then makes up numbers to suit his argument. 

Also, ironic that you say you're not going to argue about the name of the Playstation, and yet were the one to bring it up...


1st part - Would you buy a system that cost $350 just for one game? I wouldnt. Maybe that is...why its doing so bad? Again...THIS discussion had nothing to do with the OP - my answer is still relevant though, Mario is appealing to the masses - as more customers and more units get sold,  eventually more copies of the games get sold as well.

2nd part - If I had said 100% or higher than I would be making up a number. I wasnt even going to debate with a person who gets a tantrum over people's opinions of alcohol or what they call a certain system to begin with.

3rd Part - No its just funny mentioning it cause you get worked up over something so irrelevant and small.

People bought the PS3 when it had Lair....

Can you prove Mario is appealing to the masses? If that's true then why have the masses not adopted the Wii U like the Wii?

Bringing up other topics is just an ad hominem and completely irrelevant. The fact that you did make up the 95% number shows that you have no idea how actual debate works (guessing you're still in High School?) and aren't interested in having a debate. I'll carry on this debate when your argument matures. 



Mazty on 07 March 2013
BasilZero said:

 

21 Wii U (WiiU) 1.18 0.55 0.80 0.18 2.71
4 New Super Mario Bros. U WiiU 2012 Action Nintendo 0.70 0.29 0.47 0.11 1.58

 

2.71 mil hardware units sold with 1.58 mil PHYSICAL copies sold (this is excluding digital sales since I'm sure the game is available digitally).

That is more than half of the number of hardware units sold. If anything NSMBU helped elevate the sales to where the Wii-U is now instead of a less amount figure.

Again proving that Mario is massive appealing and if you dont want to compare NSMBU to NL (which is focused as the bundled game) compare it to the third most sold game on the system currently which is highly acclaimed to be a "Great" game and a NEW IP:

3 ZombiU WiiU 2012 Action Nintendo 0.17 0.13 0.03 0.03 0.36

Mario as a IP = Mass Appeal = Potential sales - even though its just a re-hash of a game that came out less than 6 months before it (i.e. NSMB2).

There's no point in debating with you - I've seen how you reacted to people's opinions ( how you got yourself banned as well from it) and how you attacked them for having their own view on a topic, so I'll just laugh at your petty attempts to downplay me even more (lol at questioning my education level - you are making yourself look better with each post l0l) than have a "Mature" debate har har.


Too late dude, I'm not having this conversation with someone who is so willing to plough through the list of fallacies as if it's a race. When you have learnt how the scientific method works, then we can speak. Until then your arguments are just filled with logical errors; errors you don't see as you don't have the necessary education to be aware of them. Here, hopefully this will explain it:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MO0r930Sn_8



Mazty on 07 March 2013
BasilZero said:

Lmao! Its funny how I show you clear evidence of why Mario is STILL MASS APPEALING yet you keep denying it LOL. 

But it doesnt matter, whatever makes you sleep better at night bro. The data is there - I did NOT make up those numbers. You want to dispute the argument, contact ioi or whoever manages the database.

http://www.vgchartz.com/gamedb/?name=&publisher=&platform=WiiU&genre=&minSales=0.25&results=200

http://www.vgchartz.com/analysis/platform_totals/

http://www.vgchartz.com/platform/47/wii-u/

There you go buddy - good evening to you. l0l

Once you understand how logical debate works, then we can continue this. As I said, your argument just dies when I point out that this "mass appeal" has failed to shift the Wii U. Clearly something isn't appealing if people aren't buying it.

This is my point. You literally are unaware when your "evidence" isn't evidence due to your lack of knowledge on logic. As I said once you get to Uni you will understand where you have gone wrong, until then I recommend reading up on the Scientific Method and what logical fallacies are, otherwise you are going to be constantly barking up the wrong tree. Your evidence is akin to someone saying "what I see is real, so when I take LSD and see something, it must be real!"



S.T.A.G.E. on 07 March 2013
Otakumegane said:

 What gives Nintendo games such massively drawn out sales periods and 8year long shelf lives?

And why are certain Nintendo franchises absent from these patterns? (Zelda,Fire Emblem)


Because in this day and age they tend not to attract casuals as much as Mario. That and third party titles dont sell as well as exclusives on Nintendo consoles.