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Netyaroze on 07 March 2013
MrBubbles said:
bankrupt EU just looking for a cash grab


I slowly start to think people are serious.

Lets look at the 3 arguments.

 

EU needs money fines US Company again:

 

The 2 Billion MS money while slightly noticeable for Microsoft are joke amounts of money for the EU Commission. Its laughable to think EU does this to finance anything else than a few staplers for their offices. In 2012  the EU commission collects about 125 Billion Euro from all EU members to pay for the costs for running the thing. In the 15-20 years MS broke regulations repeatetly they got 2 Billion from MS and 2000 Billion from the EU Members. 

The truth is they lost money processing the MS case. Ultimatly they had to invest their ressources for nothing and spend our Taxes.

2 Billion just for that ? Well there were investigations, rulings, lawyers before anybody was aware they did stuff. 2 Billion is a mere 2000 Million A lawyer costs 1 Mil or more per year and one won't suffice it must be an army and all the hearings all the paperwork all the people involved over 2 decades. But atleast there was stuff to do and people payed. No other stuff would have been investigated and who knows when they will process the rest.

So actually MS paying 2 Billions made EU poorer.

 

But biased EU hates MS cause they are Americans

 

Nope EU Commission is a Robot following rules in books. No opinions feelings and no deep motives.

 

There are countless "high" fines against European/Asian Companies

 

TV Korea/Netherlands/Taiwan recently fined 1.4 Billion for crimes commited in the 90s

Escalator Companies 3 Europe one US Billion Range fine

Siemens and others 0.75 Billion

Pharmastuff all European 1 Billion

Intel 1 Billion

European Energyfirm 1 Billion 

Carglass stuff Europe 1.4+0.4 Billion

 

And others

 

MS fucked up 3 times violated rules had to pay and we pay so they make them pay. 

Even if MS payed 1 Billion Dollar a day for all of eternity it wouldn't stop dept in EU from growing.

 

Really I would be glad if the USA Economy was strong enough to pay for EU dept but if they would attempt to do it at once It means handing over the ownership for the US Economy to the EU. 

 

 

 

 



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1337 Gamer on 07 March 2013
fauzman said:
1337 Gamer said:
I never understood why its such a big deal if M$ doesnt expressly bundle a diffrent browser with thier OS. To be honest anyone who is smart enough to realize IE sucks is smart enough to go download their own Browser. Its not like its difficult at all. Sometimes these rulings against corporations go way too far. In the end its the consumer that loses.

For all those people who are happy M$ lost answer me this. Who is going to end up footing the bill for this? Ultimately its the consumers. M$ is just going to recoup the losses by charging more for their services. And who pays for those services? Thats right the consumers. ALL OF US have to be punished because the EU thinks that some people are too stupid to download a different browser. Awesome...

The point is that having an alternative browser would NOT have cost MS anything in the first place. Sure they might have lost a little bit of market share in the browser market but IE would still have been the browser by a wide margin. And no I dont see why MS should be passing this off to consumers fr a mistake they made. 

I find it interesting that people like you are brushing off what MS did and making various excuses to justify their position.

I agree. It would not have been hard for them to do. But then again its even easier for a consumer to actually go and download their own browser... I mean seriously why should M$ have to bundle someone else's browser when its THEIR Operating System... But thats a different rant for a different topic.

 

Anyways as for M$ passing this off to consumers its going to happen. The point of any company is to increase your bottom line. Fines decrease their bottom line. In order to make stock holders happy in some way M$ will HAVE to pass this off to consumers. Thats just how business works. No matter if it was their fault.



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fauzman on 08 March 2013
1337 Gamer said:
fauzman said:
1337 Gamer said:
I never understood why its such a big deal if M$ doesnt expressly bundle a diffrent browser with thier OS. To be honest anyone who is smart enough to realize IE sucks is smart enough to go download their own Browser. Its not like its difficult at all. Sometimes these rulings against corporations go way too far. In the end its the consumer that loses.

For all those people who are happy M$ lost answer me this. Who is going to end up footing the bill for this? Ultimately its the consumers. M$ is just going to recoup the losses by charging more for their services. And who pays for those services? Thats right the consumers. ALL OF US have to be punished because the EU thinks that some people are too stupid to download a different browser. Awesome...

The point is that having an alternative browser would NOT have cost MS anything in the first place. Sure they might have lost a little bit of market share in the browser market but IE would still have been the browser by a wide margin. And no I dont see why MS should be passing this off to consumers fr a mistake they made. 

I find it interesting that people like you are brushing off what MS did and making various excuses to justify their position.

I agree. It would not have been hard for them to do. But then again its even easier for a consumer to actually go and download their own browser... I mean seriously why should M$ have to bundle someone else's browser when its THEIR Operating System... But thats a different rant for a different topic.

 

Anyways as for M$ passing this off to consumers its going to happen. The point of any company is to increase your bottom line. Fines decrease their bottom line. In order to make stock holders happy in some way M$ will HAVE to pass this off to consumers. Thats just how business works. No matter if it was their fault.

The point is that Ms AGREED to add a second browser and didnt follow thru. If they objected so much to the idea of another browser, then why did they even agree to it. I mean it would be have probably cost them less to take court action if they didnt like the rules. Yet they didnt and later on down the line they chose to ignore the requirement for the additional browser. 



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