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Worse launch?

PS3 394 56.85%
 
Wii U 299 43.15%
 
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Screamapillar on 06 March 2013
curl-6 said:
Screamapillar said:
PS3, for sure. Wii U was handled fine and NoA did a decent job playing the hand they were dealt. Wii U's one and only problem is a three-month drought of software that is literally painful to watch.

I've said it in other threads... Wii U was not ready to launch last year. The quantity of attractive first-party games that get people's attention was lacking. I have never seen a weaker first-party launch lineup for a Nintendo home console since before N64.

GameCube had Luigi, Smash, and Pikmin. N64 had Mario 64. Wii had Twilight Princess and Wii Sports.

Wii U had.... Nintendo Land and another NSMB game. Yikes.

You calling the SNES launch lineup weak? It was small as hell, yeah, but Super Mario World and F Zero beat the hell out of NSMBU and Nintendoland.


I was merely going as far back as memory would allow.  It's likely that Wii U may in fact have the weakest first-party lineup of any Nintendo home console, ever.  Quality over quantity, and I realize this is merely based on personal opinion, I think Wii U had the worst pair of first-party launch titles for a Nintendo home console launch I've ever seen. 



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1337 Gamer on 06 March 2013
newwil7l said:
Wii U tbh. I mean what kind of consloe doesn't have any new games for 3 months. Also the name is confusing and there is no advertising.


The 360? That thing hasnt had any big games since November of last year... Granted GeoW Judgement is about to come out but still. There hasnt been anything big released for any of the consoles so far this year. I think people are a little too hard of the Wii U and are expecting an unrealistic amount of games to be available within 4 months of launch... Historically that hasnt been the case for any console. Not just the Wii U.



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ghettoglamour on 06 March 2013

PS3 obviously. Sales struggled at the beginning because of the poor handling of its launch (date, price, ads).

Nintendo handled their launch better, the problem is that nobody wants the console.



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TheJimbo1234 on 06 March 2013
curl-6 said:
TheJimbo1234 said:
 


Still no links to these experts getting it wrong, thus I'm just going to say you are wrong.

1. No. How can they relate a touchpad to gaming, not "how can they relate to a touchpad".

2.But a 3DS looks 3D, that is unique. What is special about the WiiU? It looks the same, plays the same. It just has a pad that does nothing special.

3.Only if the other rivals are not low in price too. If they are, then what will the WiiU do then?

4.And are of what quality? Let me guess, same thing, different day, 7th gen graphics?

5.Yes, but so will the rivals.

6.Difference =/= good or better. 

I can't be bothered digging them up, as they've all been buried by similar articles about Wii U, but if you knew anything about the industry at the time you'd know it was considered common knowledge up until just before launch. Nintendo had been diminishing in sales since the 80s and the so-called "experts" said the trend would continue. I suggest you not place so much stock in what these people say. Think for yourself. Michael Pachter is an "expert" and his inaccuracy is legend.

1. People plays games on their touch phones/pads.

2. The pad can do many things that are special. And it certainly does not look the same as the Wii, or play the same as any other console.

3. 8GB RAM and the kind of CPUs/GPUs alleged to be in PS4 and Nextbox don't come cheap. The Wii U will be able to undercut them.

4. The top-tier quality that Nintendo consistently proves itself capable of producing.

5. See 3.

6. To many people, it will be. Different means less direct competition and hence less lost sales.


So those articles don't exist and never had. Thought so.

And yes, these experts are so wrong; "In a recent interview on MSNBC’s “In-Game” feature, video game analyst Michael Pachter argues that a majority of players who flee World of Warcraft for Star Wars: The Old Republic will quickly find their way back to Azeroth “within a year.”"

Oh hold on, he was perfectly right!

Anywhos;

1. Yes, they play casual, simple games on the phones and tablets they already own...when they are on the bus or toilet. Why buy another one and play it at home?

2.So many things you can't even name one. It adds nothing to a game. That is the whole point the guy is making.

3.Actually they do come failry cheap compared to other electonic gadgets on the market, and they will be sold at a loss to begin with. Also the difference is very clear so you know what you are paying for.

4.Not even going to bother arguing this one. All I'm going to say is that if you think those games have been as innovative as the rivals, you are gravely mistaken and wrong.

6. No it doesn't. That is merely your opinion and not obejctive in any way. Also as said in 2. how is it "different"? It offers nothing new, hence the huge debate about what generation to label the console.

 



Trunkin on 06 March 2013
1337 Gamer said:
newwil7l said:
Wii U tbh. I mean what kind of consloe doesn't have any new games for 3 months. Also the name is confusing and there is no advertising.


The 360? That thing hasnt had any big games since November of last year... Granted GeoW Judgement is about to come out but still. There hasnt been anything big released for any of the consoles so far this year. I think people are a little too hard of the Wii U and are expecting an unrealistic amount of games to be available within 4 months of launch... Historically that hasnt been the case for any console. Not just the Wii U.

Tomb Raider just came out...



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curl-6 on 06 March 2013
TheJimbo1234 said:
curl-6 said:
TheJimbo1234 said:
 


Still no links to these experts getting it wrong, thus I'm just going to say you are wrong.

1. No. How can they relate a touchpad to gaming, not "how can they relate to a touchpad".

2.But a 3DS looks 3D, that is unique. What is special about the WiiU? It looks the same, plays the same. It just has a pad that does nothing special.

3.Only if the other rivals are not low in price too. If they are, then what will the WiiU do then?

4.And are of what quality? Let me guess, same thing, different day, 7th gen graphics?

5.Yes, but so will the rivals.

6.Difference =/= good or better. 

I can't be bothered digging them up, as they've all been buried by similar articles about Wii U, but if you knew anything about the industry at the time you'd know it was considered common knowledge up until just before launch. Nintendo had been diminishing in sales since the 80s and the so-called "experts" said the trend would continue. I suggest you not place so much stock in what these people say. Think for yourself. Michael Pachter is an "expert" and his inaccuracy is legend.

1. People plays games on their touch phones/pads.

2. The pad can do many things that are special. And it certainly does not look the same as the Wii, or play the same as any other console.

3. 8GB RAM and the kind of CPUs/GPUs alleged to be in PS4 and Nextbox don't come cheap. The Wii U will be able to undercut them.

4. The top-tier quality that Nintendo consistently proves itself capable of producing.

5. See 3.

6. To many people, it will be. Different means less direct competition and hence less lost sales.


So those articles don't exist and never had. Thought so.

And yes, these experts are so wrong; "In a recent interview on MSNBC’s “In-Game” feature, video game analyst Michael Pachter argues that a majority of players who flee World of Warcraft for Star Wars: The Old Republic will quickly find their way back to Azeroth “within a year.”"

Oh hold on, he was perfectly right!

Anywhos;

1. Yes, they play casual, simple games on the phones and tablets they already own...when they are on the bus or toilet. Why buy another one and play it at home?

2.So many things you can't even name one. It adds nothing to a game. That is the whole point the guy is making.

3.Actually they do come failry cheap compared to other electonic gadgets on the market, and they will be sold at a loss to begin with. Also the difference is very clear so you know what you are paying for.

4.Not even going to bother arguing this one. All I'm going to say is that if you think those games have been as innovative as the rivals, you are gravely mistaken and wrong.

6. No it doesn't. That is merely your opinion and not obejctive in any way. Also as said in 2. how is it "different"? It offers nothing new, hence the huge debate about what generation to label the console.

 

They do, find them yourself.

And let's just forget that Pachter said (A) a Wii HD was coming in 2009-2010, (B) the next Xbox was coming in 2010, (C) on the rise of MMOs that "I don't think there are four million people in the world who really want to play online games every month…. eventually it will come back to the mean, maybe a million subscribers." Along with dozens more dead wrong predictions. The "experts" are a joke in this industry. I'd rather think for myself than trusts a group of people who are so wrong so often.

1. Millions of people who play games on tablet/mobile also own and play a console.

2. Nintendoland is full of great gamepad implementations. As are Rayman Legends and New Super Mario bros U. Not to mention off-screen play in most titles so far, and TV/Pad splitscreen in Black Ops 2.

3. Wii U will still be able to undercut them. You think 8GB of RAM costs the same as 2GB?

4. You're wrong if you think they're not. See how opinion works? :)

5. See 2. You don't get a fully integrated second screen or great Nintendo franchises like Zelda, Mario, Metroid, et al on any competing console.



TheJimbo1234 on 06 March 2013
curl-6 said:
TheJimbo1234 said:
curl-6 said:
TheJimbo1234 said:
 


Still no links to these experts getting it wrong, thus I'm just going to say you are wrong.

1. No. How can they relate a touchpad to gaming, not "how can they relate to a touchpad".

2.But a 3DS looks 3D, that is unique. What is special about the WiiU? It looks the same, plays the same. It just has a pad that does nothing special.

3.Only if the other rivals are not low in price too. If they are, then what will the WiiU do then?

4.And are of what quality? Let me guess, same thing, different day, 7th gen graphics?

5.Yes, but so will the rivals.

6.Difference =/= good or better. 

I can't be bothered digging them up, as they've all been buried by similar articles about Wii U, but if you knew anything about the industry at the time you'd know it was considered common knowledge up until just before launch. Nintendo had been diminishing in sales since the 80s and the so-called "experts" said the trend would continue. I suggest you not place so much stock in what these people say. Think for yourself. Michael Pachter is an "expert" and his inaccuracy is legend.

1. People plays games on their touch phones/pads.

2. The pad can do many things that are special. And it certainly does not look the same as the Wii, or play the same as any other console.

3. 8GB RAM and the kind of CPUs/GPUs alleged to be in PS4 and Nextbox don't come cheap. The Wii U will be able to undercut them.

4. The top-tier quality that Nintendo consistently proves itself capable of producing.

5. See 3.

6. To many people, it will be. Different means less direct competition and hence less lost sales.


So those articles don't exist and never had. Thought so.

And yes, these experts are so wrong; "In a recent interview on MSNBC’s “In-Game” feature, video game analyst Michael Pachter argues that a majority of players who flee World of Warcraft for Star Wars: The Old Republic will quickly find their way back to Azeroth “within a year.”"

Oh hold on, he was perfectly right!

Anywhos;

1. Yes, they play casual, simple games on the phones and tablets they already own...when they are on the bus or toilet. Why buy another one and play it at home?

2.So many things you can't even name one. It adds nothing to a game. That is the whole point the guy is making.

3.Actually they do come failry cheap compared to other electonic gadgets on the market, and they will be sold at a loss to begin with. Also the difference is very clear so you know what you are paying for.

4.Not even going to bother arguing this one. All I'm going to say is that if you think those games have been as innovative as the rivals, you are gravely mistaken and wrong.

6. No it doesn't. That is merely your opinion and not obejctive in any way. Also as said in 2. how is it "different"? It offers nothing new, hence the huge debate about what generation to label the console.

 

They do, find them yourself.

And let's just forget that Pachter said (A) a Wii HD was coming in 2009-2010, (B) the next Xbox was coming in 2010, (C) on the rise of MMOs that "I don't think there are four million people in the world who really want to play online games every month…. eventually it will come back to the mean, maybe a million subscribers." Along with dozens more dead wrong predictions. The "experts" are a joke in this industry. I'd rather think for myself than trusts a group of people who are so wrong so often.

1. Millions of people who play games on tablet/mobile also own and play a console.

2. Nintendoland is full of great gamepad implementations. As are Rayman Legends and New Super Mario bros U. Not to mention off-screen play in most titles so far, and TV/Pad splitscreen in Black Ops 2.

3. Wii U will still be able to undercut them. You think 8GB of RAM costs the same as 2GB?

4. You're wrong if you think they're not. See how opinion works? :)

5. See 2. You don't get a fully integrated second screen or great Nintendo franchises like Zelda, Mario, Metroid, et al on any competing console.

Tried, couldn't find them, and if you claim something exists it is up to you to show it, not me.
Well he was right about the WiiHD. You could easily argue that the WiiU is exactly that - a HD upgrade. However like some analysts he gets some things right, and others very wrong. However some get it very right http://www.escapistmagazine.com/news/view/111020-Analyst-Calls-The-Old-Republic-a-WoW-Clone 

1. Yes, they are seperate items, not the same. They use them at different times.

2. Off-screen play is hilariously bad. You pay that much to play on tiny squint O'vision? No thanks. It also works on the basis of multiplayer when adults, students, and teenagers don't have friends around to "play on games".

3. RAM is pretty much free and I don't think you understand how electronic devaluation works. You're talking the change in price is minimal, and the huge touch pad is going to be as expensive as good cpu's and gpu's.

4. If we work on what new mechanics have been added, along with graphics & changes in storyline, Nintendo are lagging massively.

5. And as I said, those are not selling points and Forbes agrees with me so.......



curl-6 on 06 March 2013
TheJimbo1234 said:
curl-6 said:
TheJimbo1234 said:
curl-6 said:
 

I can't be bothered digging them up, as they've all been buried by similar articles about Wii U, but if you knew anything about the industry at the time you'd know it was considered common knowledge up until just before launch. Nintendo had been diminishing in sales since the 80s and the so-called "experts" said the trend would continue. I suggest you not place so much stock in what these people say. Think for yourself. Michael Pachter is an "expert" and his inaccuracy is legend.

1. People plays games on their touch phones/pads.

2. The pad can do many things that are special. And it certainly does not look the same as the Wii, or play the same as any other console.

3. 8GB RAM and the kind of CPUs/GPUs alleged to be in PS4 and Nextbox don't come cheap. The Wii U will be able to undercut them.

4. The top-tier quality that Nintendo consistently proves itself capable of producing.

5. See 3.

6. To many people, it will be. Different means less direct competition and hence less lost sales.


So those articles don't exist and never had. Thought so.

And yes, these experts are so wrong; "In a recent interview on MSNBC’s “In-Game” feature, video game analyst Michael Pachter argues that a majority of players who flee World of Warcraft for Star Wars: The Old Republic will quickly find their way back to Azeroth “within a year.”"

Oh hold on, he was perfectly right!

Anywhos;

1. Yes, they play casual, simple games on the phones and tablets they already own...when they are on the bus or toilet. Why buy another one and play it at home?

2.So many things you can't even name one. It adds nothing to a game. That is the whole point the guy is making.

3.Actually they do come failry cheap compared to other electonic gadgets on the market, and they will be sold at a loss to begin with. Also the difference is very clear so you know what you are paying for.

4.Not even going to bother arguing this one. All I'm going to say is that if you think those games have been as innovative as the rivals, you are gravely mistaken and wrong.

6. No it doesn't. That is merely your opinion and not obejctive in any way. Also as said in 2. how is it "different"? It offers nothing new, hence the huge debate about what generation to label the console.

 

They do, find them yourself.

And let's just forget that Pachter said (A) a Wii HD was coming in 2009-2010, (B) the next Xbox was coming in 2010, (C) on the rise of MMOs that "I don't think there are four million people in the world who really want to play online games every month…. eventually it will come back to the mean, maybe a million subscribers." Along with dozens more dead wrong predictions. The "experts" are a joke in this industry. I'd rather think for myself than trusts a group of people who are so wrong so often.

1. Millions of people who play games on tablet/mobile also own and play a console.

2. Nintendoland is full of great gamepad implementations. As are Rayman Legends and New Super Mario bros U. Not to mention off-screen play in most titles so far, and TV/Pad splitscreen in Black Ops 2.

3. Wii U will still be able to undercut them. You think 8GB of RAM costs the same as 2GB?

4. You're wrong if you think they're not. See how opinion works? :)

5. See 2. You don't get a fully integrated second screen or great Nintendo franchises like Zelda, Mario, Metroid, et al on any competing console.

Tried, couldn't find them, and if you claim something exists it is up to you to show it, not me.
Well he was right about the WiiHD. You could easily argue that the WiiU is exactly that - a HD upgrade. However like some analysts he gets some things right, and others very wrong. However some get it very right http://www.escapistmagazine.com/news/view/111020-Analyst-Calls-The-Old-Republic-a-WoW-Clone 

1. Yes, they are seperate items, not the same. They use them at different times.

2. Off-screen play is hilariously bad. You pay that much to play on tiny squint O'vision? No thanks. It also works on the basis of multiplayer when adults, students, and teenagers don't have friends around to "play on games".

3. RAM is pretty much free and I don't think you understand how electronic devaluation works. You're talking the change in price is minimal, and the huge touch pad is going to be as expensive as good cpu's and gpu's.

4. If we work on what new mechanics have been added, along with graphics & changes in storyline, Nintendo are lagging massively.

5. And as I said, those are not selling points and Forbes agrees with me so.......

You're actually trying to defend a claim that a Wii HD would release in 2009/2010? Not only was he UTTERLY wrong, but the Wii U isn't a Wii HD, it's a new console with different hardware and a different focus. Of course he gets SOME things right, but like pretty much every gaming "expert" his failure rate is too high for him to be held up as an authority.

1. The basic skills still transfer.

2. Off screen gaming is great, I can share the TV with my gf while I play Wii U. I'm a student; believe it or not, some students, teengaers, and adults actually have friends/partners. And i don't need to squint at all, its very clear.

3. 8GB of GDDR5 isn't free. As for the gamepad cost, it's doubtful that will come close to the extra cost of all the other more expensive components. (CPU, GPU, RAM, etc)

4. Graphics and storyline are trivial compared to gameplay, and that's where Nintendo is unsurpassed in the industry.

5. Wii U doesn't have a Zelda, Metroid, 3D Mario, (It's priced out of the 2D Mario crowd's range at present. NSMBU has an incredibly high attach rate though) Mario Kart, or Smash Bros yet; games can't sell when they're not out yet.



TheJimbo1234 on 07 March 2013
curl-6 said:
TheJimbo1234 said:
curl-6 said:
TheJimbo1234 said:
curl-6 said:
 

I can't be bothered digging them up, as they've all been buried by similar articles about Wii U, but if you knew anything about the industry at the time you'd know it was considered common knowledge up until just before launch. Nintendo had been diminishing in sales since the 80s and the so-called "experts" said the trend would continue. I suggest you not place so much stock in what these people say. Think for yourself. Michael Pachter is an "expert" and his inaccuracy is legend.

1. People plays games on their touch phones/pads.

2. The pad can do many things that are special. And it certainly does not look the same as the Wii, or play the same as any other console.

3. 8GB RAM and the kind of CPUs/GPUs alleged to be in PS4 and Nextbox don't come cheap. The Wii U will be able to undercut them.

4. The top-tier quality that Nintendo consistently proves itself capable of producing.

5. See 3.

6. To many people, it will be. Different means less direct competition and hence less lost sales.


So those articles don't exist and never had. Thought so.

And yes, these experts are so wrong; "In a recent interview on MSNBC’s “In-Game” feature, video game analyst Michael Pachter argues that a majority of players who flee World of Warcraft for Star Wars: The Old Republic will quickly find their way back to Azeroth “within a year.”"

Oh hold on, he was perfectly right!

Anywhos;

1. Yes, they play casual, simple games on the phones and tablets they already own...when they are on the bus or toilet. Why buy another one and play it at home?

2.So many things you can't even name one. It adds nothing to a game. That is the whole point the guy is making.

3.Actually they do come failry cheap compared to other electonic gadgets on the market, and they will be sold at a loss to begin with. Also the difference is very clear so you know what you are paying for.

4.Not even going to bother arguing this one. All I'm going to say is that if you think those games have been as innovative as the rivals, you are gravely mistaken and wrong.

6. No it doesn't. That is merely your opinion and not obejctive in any way. Also as said in 2. how is it "different"? It offers nothing new, hence the huge debate about what generation to label the console.

 

They do, find them yourself.

And let's just forget that Pachter said (A) a Wii HD was coming in 2009-2010, (B) the next Xbox was coming in 2010, (C) on the rise of MMOs that "I don't think there are four million people in the world who really want to play online games every month…. eventually it will come back to the mean, maybe a million subscribers." Along with dozens more dead wrong predictions. The "experts" are a joke in this industry. I'd rather think for myself than trusts a group of people who are so wrong so often.

1. Millions of people who play games on tablet/mobile also own and play a console.

2. Nintendoland is full of great gamepad implementations. As are Rayman Legends and New Super Mario bros U. Not to mention off-screen play in most titles so far, and TV/Pad splitscreen in Black Ops 2.

3. Wii U will still be able to undercut them. You think 8GB of RAM costs the same as 2GB?

4. You're wrong if you think they're not. See how opinion works? :)

5. See 2. You don't get a fully integrated second screen or great Nintendo franchises like Zelda, Mario, Metroid, et al on any competing console.

Tried, couldn't find them, and if you claim something exists it is up to you to show it, not me.
Well he was right about the WiiHD. You could easily argue that the WiiU is exactly that - a HD upgrade. However like some analysts he gets some things right, and others very wrong. However some get it very right http://www.escapistmagazine.com/news/view/111020-Analyst-Calls-The-Old-Republic-a-WoW-Clone 

1. Yes, they are seperate items, not the same. They use them at different times.

2. Off-screen play is hilariously bad. You pay that much to play on tiny squint O'vision? No thanks. It also works on the basis of multiplayer when adults, students, and teenagers don't have friends around to "play on games".

3. RAM is pretty much free and I don't think you understand how electronic devaluation works. You're talking the change in price is minimal, and the huge touch pad is going to be as expensive as good cpu's and gpu's.

4. If we work on what new mechanics have been added, along with graphics & changes in storyline, Nintendo are lagging massively.

5. And as I said, those are not selling points and Forbes agrees with me so.......

You're actually trying to defend a claim that a Wii HD would release in 2009/2010? Not only was he UTTERLY wrong, but the Wii U isn't a Wii HD, it's a new console with different hardware and a different focus. Of course he gets SOME things right, but like pretty much every gaming "expert" his failure rate is too high for him to be held up as an authority.

1. The basic skills still transfer.

2. Off screen gaming is great, I can share the TV with my gf while I play Wii U. I'm a student; believe it or not, some students, teengaers, and adults actually have friends/partners. And i don't need to squint at all, its very clear.

3. 8GB of GDDR5 isn't free. As for the gamepad cost, it's doubtful that will come close to the extra cost of all the other more expensive components. (CPU, GPU, RAM, etc)

4. Graphics and storyline are trivial compared to gameplay, and that's where Nintendo is unsurpassed in the industry.

5. Wii U doesn't have a Zelda, Metroid, 3D Mario, (It's priced out of the 2D Mario crowd's range at present. NSMBU has an incredibly high attach rate though) Mario Kart, or Smash Bros yet; games can't sell when they're not out yet.

The fact that we are arguing about what the WIiU is about says it all. The PS3 was clealry a high end media and gaming platform at relase, but what is the WiiU? You say it has a dcifferent focus...which is what exactly? 

Well if you think you are so much better than some of the other experts, why don't you become an analayst and go make millions? *rollseyes*

1. You fail to see the point.

2.I have 2 TVs....as do most people nowadays.

3. http://kotaku.com/5942876/the-wii-us-controllers-are-really-expensive. It won't be massed produced, and I think it won't have been ordered in the 10's of millions like the other consoles, so it wil cost a lot.

4. Such rubbish, and you dodged my question. Why am I not surprised. Gameplay has remained the same, and there has been no innovation. The result? A market who think the new console is a new extra for the previous one.

5.And they will do what exactly that the previous ones didn't do? 

 

As I said, you can argue this all you want, but a) it proves my point thaty this console has a lot of problems to overcome, b) you're arguing on the basis that experts are "wrong" because you don't like what they say, This of course brings us to the inevitable question; what would it take to make you change your mind?



curl-6 on 07 March 2013
TheJimbo1234 said:
 

The fact that we are arguing about what the WIiU is about says it all. The PS3 was clealry a high end media and gaming platform at relase, but what is the WiiU? You say it has a dcifferent focus...which is what exactly? 

Well if you think you are so much better than some of the other experts, why don't you become an analayst and go make millions? *rollseyes*

1. You fail to see the point.

2.I have 2 TVs....as do most people nowadays.

3. http://kotaku.com/5942876/the-wii-us-controllers-are-really-expensive. It won't be massed produced, and I think it won't have been ordered in the 10's of millions like the other consoles, so it wil cost a lot.

4. Such rubbish, and you dodged my question. Why am I not surprised. Gameplay has remained the same, and there has been no innovation. The result? A market who think the new console is a new extra for the previous one.

5.And they will do what exactly that the previous ones didn't do? 

 

As I said, you can argue this all you want, but a) it proves my point thaty this console has a lot of problems to overcome, b) you're arguing on the basis that experts are "wrong" because you don't like what they say, This of course brings us to the inevitable question; what would it take to make you change your mind?

The Wii U is a bridge console between casual and core, that's what it is.

I wasn't stupid enough to think we'd see the next Xbox and a Wii HD in 2010, but "expert" Pachter was. Being an "expert" is often more about having some shiny business degree that's usually unrelated to gaming than actual knowledge. Hell, just having a blog or working for a games website is enough to get you viewed as a gaming "expert" in today's world.

 

Since you enjoy Forbes, though, here's what they have to say about why we SHOULDN'T count out the Wii U: http://www.forbes.com/sites/insertcoin/2013/03/04/six-reasons-we-shouldnt-count-the-wii-u-out-yet/2/

1. No, you're missing the point.

2. Not everybody does, and it's more convenient to just switch to the gamepad and share the big couch.

3. That link only says what Nintendo charges for the controller, not what it costs to manufacture. Nothing about the rest of the console seems expensive, in contrast to the PS4's more costly components.

4. Motion controls were a bigger gameplay innovation for home consoles than anything Sony has produced since the dualshock controller in 1997, or that Microsoft has ever produced in the console arena. The gamepad isn't as big, but it's still a more significant shift in gameplay potential than the PS4 thus far suggests, or that the 360 boasted over the first Xbox. Nintendo leads the industry in both innovation and gameplay.

5. They will use the Gamepad for new gameplay mechanics.

I never said the console DIDN'T have a lot of problems to overcome. It obviously does. What would it take to change my mind? Change my mind about what exactly?