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JGarret on 02 March 2013
Metallicube said:
spurgeonryan said:

Will Nintendo and investors be happy?

 

They seem to be using the same strategy as they did with the Cube and N64. That is why I am asking. Or I just notice some of the same things happening.

 

Also makes me wonder if the Wii was just a fluke and the Wii U will just continue the downward slide Nintendo has had in console sales since the NES?

I'm pretty convinced Nintendo doesn't really care about the sales anymore. If they were really concerned with sales they would have dropped the Wii U price already. I think they care more about making profit, and making the type of games THEY wish to make. I am a big Nintendo fan, but I've always been annoyed by their stubbornness and their logic of trying to get others to adapt to THEM instead of the other way around, like it should be. It wasn't until the dismal 20 million sales of Gamecube for Nintendo to break from their stubborn ways and alter their strategy to accomidate a mass market audience.

Wii was not a fluke, Wii was Nintendo chaning their philosophy, and the sales followed. Sadly, now they've pretty much reverted back to their Gamecube/N64 strategy with the same type of niche games. Those types of games recieved mediocre sales before, and they will now.

You know, I think you´re right there..and think about it, it only took one successful console (Wii) for Nintendo to go back to the old strategy, which means they must´ve been really eager to do so.They thought that releasing a NSMB game was going to be enough to sell loads of systems to the people who made NSMB Wii a huge success.



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Mensrea on 02 March 2013

I really hope the Wii comes in third. That's my fondest desire. I'm a huge Nintendo fan, and Nintendo is at their best when they are losing. The gamecube's is 10 times the system that the Wii is, why? Because Nintendo needed to push themselves just to keep it afloat.

I want the Gamecube strategy back at Nintendo. Hardware wise, they are unwilling to give it to me, but I think from a software standpoint, they can push some of their more "core" franchises. This E3 will show us what their strategy is with the U.




pokoko on 02 March 2013
BluGamer23 said:
Mummelmann said:

He's making the age old assumption that everyone who comments on news on a certain console or enjoys the efforts on one particular company are a homogenic, hive-minded bunch of morons with no insight.

Personally, I haven't seen or heard anyone who thought the Vita would sell like gangbusters and the amount of folks who believe that the PS4 will do incredibly well is in the extreme minority. If anything, people are being rather reserved and cautious about predicting anything for the 8th gen, simply because its so hard to predict anything.

Besides, if you (BluGamer23) think that the PS4 is simply 400$ (not even confirmed price, could lower or higher) and "HD grafix" then you understand little enough that maybe you should simply refrain from commenting on anything console related. Your overall tone and language suggest the very same thing.

aww thats cute!

no I dont think its simply $399 .. just echoing what some of you ppl say..  its adorable how you think you know stuff.. lol =)

"that the PS4 will do incredibly well is in the extreme minority"

"I haven't seen or heard anyone who thought the Vita would sell like gangbusters"  

maybe you should stop pretending .. those wall of text you write means you have no point and you need to write a lot to make it sound like you do. adorable!

Wait, wait, hold on ... you think three paragraphs is a "wall of text"?

Anyway, on topic, I don't think people will be happy, and there will be shake-ups in management, but with software sales, I think it's possible for Nintendo to turn a good profit this generation, which is still the most important thing.  It would hurt a great deal, though, mostly because investors won't understand that the Wii was an anomaly.  You can't expect Wii levels of success any more than you can expect PS2 levels of success.  Sometimes too much success with a product can make your other products look much worse than they actually are.

The reality for Nintendo just might be that their consoles are a niche product, however, and the Wii was the only outlier.  The Gamecube and the Wii U might be closer to actual expectations going forward.  Not that I don't except the Wii U to rally somewhat, once the major Nintendo games are released.  Depending on what Nintendo is able to do with software, the Wii U might end up with some relatively nice numbers.  



Mummelmann on 02 March 2013
BluGamer23 said:
Mummelmann said:
Jay520 said:

What is your argument? Anyone predicting success based solely on price and controls is using flawed thinking. You make a lot of assumptions. When did I ever say the Vita would sell gangbusters? And when did I ever say the PS4 would sell gangbusters? Read my post again. I made no predictions on the success of the PS4.

As Kowenicki would say: wind your neck in.

He's making the age old assumption that everyone who comments on news on a certain console or enjoys the efforts on one particular company are a homogenic, hive-minded bunch of morons with no insight.

Personally, I haven't seen or heard anyone who thought the Vita would sell like gangbusters and the amount of folks who believe that the PS4 will do incredibly well is in the extreme minority. If anything, people are being rather reserved and cautious about predicting anything for the 8th gen, simply because its so hard to predict anything.

Besides, if you (BluGamer23) think that the PS4 is simply 400$ (not even confirmed price, could lower or higher) and "HD grafix" then you understand little enough that maybe you should simply refrain from commenting on anything console related. Your overall tone and language suggest the very same thing.

aww thats cute!

no I dont think its simply $399 .. just echoing what some of you ppl say..  its adorable how you think you know stuff.. lol =) 

"that the PS4 will do incredibly well is in the extreme minority"

"I haven't seen or heard anyone who thought the Vita would sell like gangbusters"  

maybe you should stop pretending .. those wall of text you write means you have no point and you need to write a lot to make it sound like you do. adorable!

This post just further proves my point on your ability to form an argument. Are you phenom08's alt or something?

I always take notice and learn what I can from great minds that write such tasty treats as "...lol", "ppl", end every sentence with exclamation marks and doesn't know where the Shift button is. Keep on preaching and perhaps one day every poster in here will have risen to your superior intellectual level and amazing argumentation skills. Meanwhile, I'll keep on going with walls of nonsense text and live in ignorant bliss.



BluGamer23 on 02 March 2013
Mummelmann said:
BluGamer23 said:

aww thats cute!

no I dont think its simply $399 .. just echoing what some of you ppl say..  its adorable how you think you know stuff.. lol =) 

"that the PS4 will do incredibly well is in the extreme minority"

"I haven't seen or heard anyone who thought the Vita would sell like gangbusters"  

maybe you should stop pretending .. those wall of text you write means you have no point and you need to write a lot to make it sound like you do. adorable!

This post just further proves my point on your ability to form an argument. Are you phenom08's alt or something?

I always take notice and learn what I can from great minds that write such tasty treats as "...lol", "ppl", end every sentence with exclamation marks and doesn't know where the Shift button is. Keep on preaching and perhaps one day every poster in here will have risen to your superior intellectual level and amazing argumentation skills. Meanwhile, I'll keep on going with walls of nonsense text and live in ignorant bliss.

lol! why yes yes I am phenom08's .. your investigation skills are impressive!  .. I wonder why the mods havent banned me for having an alt account. 

figures.. you have no point so lets write about who you think i am to hide your jibberish nonsense.. 

keep on pretending..  =)



 

 

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Metallicube on 03 March 2013
Mensrea said:
I really hope the Wii comes in third. That's my fondest desire. I'm a huge Nintendo fan, and Nintendo is at their best when they are losing. The gamecube's is 10 times the system that the Wii is, why? Because Nintendo needed to push themselves just to keep it afloat.

I want the Gamecube strategy back at Nintendo. Hardware wise, they are unwilling to give it to me, but I think from a software standpoint, they can push some of their more "core" franchises. This E3 will show us what their strategy is with the U.

I think it would be better if Nintendo failed once more too, but for a completely different reason. Nintendo needs to hit a low in order to give them a humbling to alter their strategy to appeal to the mass market, like they did with the Wii. Gamecube sold only 21 million, and look how Nintendo responded because of it. The Wii became a sales phenomenon. If it takes another failure to motivate Nintendo to create revolutionary experiences like Wii Sports, so be it.

It's funny you say you want the Gamecube strategy back, because it's already here with the Wii U (well, minus the superior hardware like you said). Games like Pikmin 3, Zelda WW, Wonderful 101, etc.. They seem to be returning to the quirky niche games that populated the gamecube, complete with an odd complicatied controller to boot. It's like Nintendo took the worst aspects of the Wii (shoddy hardware), with the worst aspects of the Cube (weird, intimidating controller, niche games), and combined them. And people wonder why it's selling so badly..

I like the Gamecube stuff too, but for my money, nothing on Gamecube matches the feeling of newness and raw fun of Wii Sports, and the simple joy and multi experiences of Mario Kart, NSMB, Wii Play, etc..



Mensrea on 03 March 2013
Metallicube said:
Mensrea said:
I really hope the Wii comes in third. That's my fondest desire. I'm a huge Nintendo fan, and Nintendo is at their best when they are losing. The gamecube's is 10 times the system that the Wii is, why? Because Nintendo needed to push themselves just to keep it afloat.

I want the Gamecube strategy back at Nintendo. Hardware wise, they are unwilling to give it to me, but I think from a software standpoint, they can push some of their more "core" franchises. This E3 will show us what their strategy is with the U.

I think it would be better if Nintendo failed once more too, but for a completely different reason. Nintendo needs to hit a low in order to give them a humbling to alter their strategy to appeal to the mass market, like they did with the Wii. Gamecube sold only 21 million, and look how Nintendo responded because of it. The Wii became a sales phenomenon. If it takes another failure to motivate Nintendo to create revolutionary experiences like Wii Sports, so be it.

It's funny you say you want the Gamecube strategy back, because it's already here with the Wii U (well, minus the superior hardware like you said). Games like Pikmin 3, Zelda WW, Wonderful 101, etc.. They seem to be returning to the quirky niche games that populated the gamecube, complete with an odd complicatied controller to boot. It's like Nintendo took the worst aspects of the Wii (shoddy hardware), with the worst aspects of the Cube (weird, intimidating controller, niche games), and combined them. And people wonder why it's selling so badly..

I like the Gamecube stuff too, but for my money, nothing on Gamecube matches the feeling of newness and raw fun of Wii Sports, and the simple joy and multi experiences of Mario Kart, NSMB, Wii Play, etc..


I frankly don't care about their sales at all, i just want enjoyment out of my console. Wii sports and the like does nothing for me, and I don't think it's revolutionary in any way. Just a dumb party game that had waggle. Wii in general was a giant disappointment.

W101, and Pikmin 3 are definately nice, but the Gamcube strategy is not really the Wii U strategy that everyone says. Wii U was launched with casuals heavily in mind. NSMBU, NIntendoland, and WII U fit and Party on the way. Nintendo thought they could catch that audience again. 

I hope your right, and more awesome niche titles come out. I hope that they push their 2nd tier IP's.

Also, gamepad may be intimidating, but at least it can do everything, it's made with gamers in mind. Also, it's super comfy!