No, you're wrong. I was supossed to play the fate of four characters; characters that had their own way of thinking. The crucial part of Heavy Rain is to ultimately decide wether these people act "right" or "wrong"; yet you can't really change some outcomes. But that is how this game makes you feel things. I did not feel connected, for example, to Madison, as I thought she was merely a bitch who wanted to make money out of the situation.

I did felt like shit when you discover the Origami Killer. Seriously. I remember watching the damned youtube video and I was completely in shock. Mind you, I've chosen how that character acted yet He was ultimately an hipocrite and betrayed me, the player. Ethan, during my "playthrough", was a merely coward who could not bring himself to save Shaun, and ended up in jail. Yet there was Norman Jayden, the character I admired most, and during my playthrough, he was the only one to do everything right, and finally, saving Shaun. So I did play it like I wanted, and I feel whatever I was supossed to feel playing like this.

It's a matter of opinion. Though I agree that it would have been better if I actually had "played" (having the control in my hands) the game.

having that feeling of betrayel is something pretty much every one had, and i think it was done on purpose, and FYI i had a really different outcome then you did, Ethan with me, wasnt really a coward, he went through a lot of shit to save him, but ultimatly couldnt, Jayden saved shaun for me, but died while doing so. 

anyways  as you said its a matter of opinion. i just hope some of the plot holes (i had a huge one happen to me that i yet dont understand) dont happen in beyond.

But you see? You are proving I am right. What you feel was different, because you played differently!

And yes. It has some horrible plot holes, but hey, it was a great experience anyway.

I'm curious, do the sales of Heavy Rain justify the amount of money it must surely cost to land these A list actors. I mean getting Ellen Page and Defoe can't be cheap?

Makes you wonder what happens if the game is not successful sales wise.

That aside, these actors don't interest me in the slightest, give me unknown actors any day of the week, as long as their good, it dosen't matter who they are.

ohh and i agree, what you feel is different, i probably misunderstood you before. yeah the horrible plot holes made it go down to a really good game from a freaking must have awesome game

That is not at all what I said, CGi.

What I said is that at the time I enjoyed Heavy Rain quite a bit, but now three years later I am not satisfied with the lip-synching.

This is so because I probably had lower expectations at the time and managed to be happy with what Quantic Dream did with the lip-synching on Heavy Rain, but NOW, three years later, I'm at a point where I've been spoiled by other games with better lip-synching and found it lacking in what I've seen so far from Beyond. I'm sure they have improved it since Heavy Rain, but not enough for what I now expect as "good".

And relax, I'm not attacking Quantic Dream. I've enjoyed their work since Omikron. But that doesn't invalidate my concerns with their work when I have them.

I was specifically talking about lip-synching actually , because it's the one thing that completely irks me out of immersion, even if the facial expressions are only mild ones. Maybe it's OCD on my part but I just can't get over the fact that they didn't move enough for how the words sounded. Paralysis and all that jazz.

Anyway, we've both presented our arguments and as you said, agree to disagree. Let's wait until the game is out and judge for ourselves and according to our tastes and expectations. :)

WHAT DAFOE IS THIS?

You had me at Dafoe. Sold.

What's wrong with the lip-synching?