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Otakumegane said:
Michael-5 said:

So then why do many Handheld games by third parties look better then or at least as good as first party games? Why do Handheld consoles get 3rd party support, but not the home platform?

Is Nintendo holding back on consoles only? If so why only consoles? Is it because only Japanese developers support Nintendo, so Nintendo only gives true specs to the handhelds, which see a lot more Japanese support? Or is this just bs?

I think this is bs or at the very least over-exagerated. Maybe Nintendo released 730mb RAM Dev Kits when they first released Dev Kits for the Wii U, but there is a damn good reason for them to do this. If Nintendo gave Dev Kits with full Wii U specs before the PS4 and NextBox were finished being developed, then Sony and MS could and would purposely spec their platforms to make Wii U look weak, or like a last gen console.

By hiding it until now (if they did this), this would make Sony and MS spec their 8th gen consoles more closely to Wii U without realizing it, making Wii U more competetive, and this would encourage devs to make weaker games early on, which would cut development time, building up Wii U's library faster.

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This strategy is similar to releasing the 3DS at an overpriced cost, only to slash it as soon as Sony released their Vita which was designed to compete against the more expensive 3DS. This strategy worked for the 3DS and now Vita sales are not only struggling, but Sony is being forced to slash their systems price in order to maintain a demand, which is really hurting them financially.

So IMO, whoever is in charge of Wii U marketing....he is pretty damn smart.

I'm quite confident that the 3DS price cut was never a strategy. The losses resulting from that made Nintendo go into the red for the 1st time in 30 years.

I'd say more of a panic response.

Maybe, but it killed the Vita pretty efficiently, so I'm fairly certain Nintendo planed A price cut, just maybe not an $80 cut.

It may have brought Nintendo into the red for the first time in 30 years, but if this pulls Sony out of the handheld gaming market, then Nintendo has a monopoly like it did with the Gameboy era, and can rake in the cash.



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Michael-5 said:
Otakumegane said:
Michael-5 said:

So then why do many Handheld games by third parties look better then or at least as good as first party games? Why do Handheld consoles get 3rd party support, but not the home platform?

Is Nintendo holding back on consoles only? If so why only consoles? Is it because only Japanese developers support Nintendo, so Nintendo only gives true specs to the handhelds, which see a lot more Japanese support? Or is this just bs?

I think this is bs or at the very least over-exagerated. Maybe Nintendo released 730mb RAM Dev Kits when they first released Dev Kits for the Wii U, but there is a damn good reason for them to do this. If Nintendo gave Dev Kits with full Wii U specs before the PS4 and NextBox were finished being developed, then Sony and MS could and would purposely spec their platforms to make Wii U look weak, or like a last gen console.

By hiding it until now (if they did this), this would make Sony and MS spec their 8th gen consoles more closely to Wii U without realizing it, making Wii U more competetive, and this would encourage devs to make weaker games early on, which would cut development time, building up Wii U's library faster.

---

This strategy is similar to releasing the 3DS at an overpriced cost, only to slash it as soon as Sony released their Vita which was designed to compete against the more expensive 3DS. This strategy worked for the 3DS and now Vita sales are not only struggling, but Sony is being forced to slash their systems price in order to maintain a demand, which is really hurting them financially.

So IMO, whoever is in charge of Wii U marketing....he is pretty damn smart.

I'm quite confident that the 3DS price cut was never a strategy. The losses resulting from that made Nintendo go into the red for the 1st time in 30 years.

I'd say more of a panic response.

Maybe, but it killed the Vita pretty efficiently, so I'm fairly certain Nintendo planed A price cut, just maybe not an $80 cut.

It may have brought Nintendo into the red for the first time in 30 years, but if this pulls Sony out of the handheld gaming market, then Nintendo has a monopoly like it did with the Gameboy era, and can rake in the cash.

Yeah I'll agree that the price cut was part of the agenda, but not that soon nor that much.



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oniyide said:
Raze said:
oniyide said:
 

From what i understand it isnt hard at all to take an SD game and just up res it in HD, which is probably why we've seen so many HD collections of PS2 era games, Spintler Cell, Sly, Metal Gear, Zone of Enders, God of War, Hitman, DMC, hell it goes on and on. Now trying to take an HD game and down port it to something like Wii? Harder.


Having dabbled in indie game dev years ago, I do know that the entire texture library would have to be rebuilt, without making the textures look washed out, and to take advantage of the more powerful systems, a dev might want to add polys to their models, to polish them up a bit. I would doubt it's a short process. Of course, if they're looking for a quick buck to port out as is, then yeah, but you'll start dealing with "jaggies" and the sort.

I dont know, stuff like Just Dance seems to be have done quickly and they dont look that much different, but hell ill take your word for it.

I could be wrong too, maybe they found a better workflow to make the process easier. I don't claim to be the all-knowing OZ ;)   Just like everything else ever posted on a forum, its all hypothetical. =)



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DanneSandin said:

A very good post with very good points!

did you ever say anything about the multiplatform title that was canceled? ie: was it necessarily a Japanese game?

For all we know it could be Aliens CM in which case nobody would call it an example of Nintendo treating 3rd parties like shit...

Regarding the exclusive that is now back on, I had a feeling if Nintendo were cancelling it, it was due to it competing with another release on the console. Not sure if that would be a 3rd or 1st party release, but your new information seems to confirm this general idea. It should be said that postponing a 3rd party release for a reason that possibly makes sense is a lot different than cancelling it altogether for no reason at all..

These two points make your original claim that Nintendo mistreats third parties somewhat weaker.



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DanneSandin said:

MAJOR UPDATE: The exclusive title coming to the Wii U is SILL ON! It has been postponed though, so as not to compete with another title due for release at around the same time.

Never heard that and can't find it on the webz. Which developer is making this?

And as you word it now, the game is not cancelled but delayed because of competition (something that is not unusual).



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Great news about the non-cancelled 3rd party exclusive.

Danne, just another thing. Of the exclusive and multiplat: how important are these titles?
You friend has any good news coming from Nintendo?



fordy said:
DanneSandin said:
fordy said:
DanneSandin said:
 

He doesn't have to have that since he's a developer... What he's told me is that 3rd parties is sick and tired of the way Nintendo is acting; I don't know if he represents the whole industry...

Developers don't make the decisions, the executives do. If he doesn't have to have much business sense, then he also shouldn't be speaking for EXECUTIVE business decisions. How is this, therefore, a "trustworthy source"?

I'm calling BS on this. It lacks common sense and defies any kind of business logic.

I couldn't agree more, and that's why I said that Nintendo is fucking up big times.


Nintendo is fucking up because your agument is illogical? No, they've been doing so long before that.

 

Let me give you an example of this. I'm an executive, and I call for a game to be developed for the Wii. Now, as an executive, how do you think I'd react if my developers came back and said "We refuse to develop for the Wii because we're not entitled to the same memory allocation as Nintendo"? Keep in mind that the executive doesn't give two shits about technicalities, they're in charge of financial and overall business decisions.

A working example of this was Square moving from Nintendo exlcusitivity. It wasn't done on a TECHNICAL sense. It was done on a FINANCIAL sense. In fact, look up some youtube videos on the history of Squaresoft, and the workers at the time explained how executives came in one day and just told the team "We're going with PlayStation now". It wasn't the devs making this decision, they just did what they were told. A lot of devs were excited, and a lot of devs were disappointed by the decision, but they still had to follow executive orders.

I'm tired of discussing this. I'll get back to you if/when I can find out more about this. Right now we're only going around in circles.



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Barbarossa said:
DanneSandin said:
Boutros said:
DanneSandin said:
Boutros said:
Steam is coming to the PS4.

Is that confirmed?

You just did.

naha!!

Battle.net maybe? With blizzard supporting it not impossible I guess and you also said they kind of mentioned it already. Oh, does this mean WoW on PS4?

fordy said:







DanneSandin said:







fordy said:







DanneSandin said:







 

He doesn't have to have that since he's a developer... What he's told me is that 3rd parties is sick and tired of the way Nintendo is acting; I don't know if he represents the whole industry...



Developers don't make the decisions, the executives do. If he doesn't have to have much business sense, then he also shouldn't be speaking for EXECUTIVE business decisions. How is this, therefore, a "trustworthy source"?


I'm calling BS on this. It lacks common sense and defies any kind of business logic.



I couldn't agree more, and that's why I said that Nintendo is fucking up big times.




Nintendo is fucking up because your agument is illogical? No, they've been doing so long before that.


 


Let me give you an example of this. I'm an executive, and I call for a game to be developed for the Wii. Now, as an executive, how do you think I'd react if my developers came back and said "We refuse to develop for the Wii because we're not entitled to the same memory allocation as Nintendo"? Keep in mind that the executive doesn't give two shits about technicalities, they're in charge of financial and overall business decisions.


A working example of this was Square moving from Nintendo exlcusitivity. It wasn't done on a TECHNICAL sense. It was done on a FINANCIAL sense. In fact, look up some youtube videos on the history of Squaresoft, and the workers at the time explained how executives came in one day and just told the team "We're going with PlayStation now". It wasn't the devs making this decision, they just did what they were told. A lot of devs were excited, and a lot of devs were disappointed by the decision, but they still had to follow executive orders.


I think Square abandoned Nintendo because of the lack of a cd-rom. They just thought it was the future, turns out they were right. A mistake Nintendo still haven't recovered from.

 

Nope, it's not battlenet. Although, come to think about it, that WOULD make sense to have, right? You know, if you wanna play Diablo :P But it's nothing I've heard of.



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regin2005 said:
*sigh*

I know what this Megaton will be. Its actually a bunch of titles from Rare that Microsoft made and Nintendo had on the N64 at some point. Rare will join Sony and the announcement will be made at this years E3 conference. Perfect Dark, Banjo Kazooie will all be apart of the Sony family from that point forward.

This big service that he is so called not talking about is the cross game voice chat that Microsoft currently has, but there is more. You will also be able to play online games competitively on the PS4 and PC.

You see DaaneSandin, was that so much to ask. That's all you had to say.

The End.

I actually thought that ingame voice chat had been revealed already?

And no, I've heard nothing about Rare... Just look up my PS4 and xbox threads ^^



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