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PS Vita will outsell Wii U lifetime

Yes. 148 20.19%
 
Maybe. 56 7.64%
 
I don't know. 22 3.00%
 
No. 467 63.71%
 
It will be a draw. 13 1.77%
 
I want to see the results. 26 3.55%
 
Total:732
riderz13371 on 02 February 2013
Maris said:
riderz13371 said:
NintendoPie said:
riderz13371 said:

I don't know I don't work for Sony. Ask them.

No, no. You seem to be quite a reliable source. You said that Sony doesn't resort to Price Cuts like "other companies" so I thought you would have an idea on what they might do to help the Vita.

You don't need to be a reliable source to know they don't resort to price cuts so quickly. I think that's pretty evident, or do you not read into video game news that much? Busy getting your cash money from Nintendo as you said before right?

So what does Sony resort to? Half-assing 1st party releases and failing to get any significant 3rd party support? You could argue Nintendo does one of those things, but not both.

What first party releases have been "half-assed"?



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tbone51 on 02 February 2013
Viper1 said:
Sensei said:
gatito said:
This has to be a joke. An offensive one; PSV was lucky to outsell N-Gage.

Nice, now you're the one actually posting an offensive joke. :P

I think it is uncalled for because the PS Vita is actually a quality console.

Let's suppose for a moment that the PS Vita maintains this slow rate (which it won't, it will speed up) for a full 10 years, the usual Sony console cycle: that's about 35-40 Million consoles lifetime. It will still be better than Nintendo 64, Gamecube, Sega Genesis, Xbox, Dreamcast and others.

While I realize you were just giving a hypothetical situation, a console that only sells 3.5 - 4 million per year will not last 10 years on the market to begin with.  It would never gain the critical developer support to generate the market demand to last that long.

 

- PS Vita yet to receive a price cut; it will always be cheaper than the Wii U;
--------Neither has Wii U.   X360 has always been cheaper than PS3, did it matter?

- PS Vita already outselling Wii U in Europe (4 consecutive weeks now);
--------But not the US or Japan.  Or combined globally which matters more than just a single market when you're talking about what outsells what.

- PS Vita's competition is already out; Wii U's true competition is yet to come and it's falling short of sales targets already;
--------Vita also fell short of sales targets and has had it's target reduced several times.

- PS Vita's integration with PS3, PS4, PSN and PlayStation Plus could very well give it a boost via bundling or strong PS4 sales in the future; Wii U's networking services and integration don't look as strong;
--------Subjective and speculative.  

- PS Vita is more likely to receive third party support than the Wii U once the new next gen consoles come out.
---------Speculative and likely irrelevant.  Did Wii need greater 3rd party support to outsell the PSP?



very well said



Sensei on 02 February 2013
curl-6 said:
Sensei said:
Chevinator123 said:
Maybe, it all depends on the PS4/720. We need to wait and see on what they do to the Wii-U


Exactly. They could very well Dreamcast the Wii U out of the market.

The Dreamcast didn't have the likes of Mario Kart, Smash Bros, and Zelda to fall back on, and if you're going to point out once again that the Gamecube did, it wasn't forced out of the market. ;)

Yeah I don't believe Nintendo will go the way of Sega any soon. Unless they keep putting out Virtual Boy after Virtual Boy. ;)

That said, yeah, we could reprase my quote as: "Exactly. They could very well turn the Wii U into a Gamecube of the generation". Not out, but doing quite worse compared to the rivals.




Maris on 02 February 2013
riderz13371 said:
Maris said:
riderz13371 said:
NintendoPie said:
riderz13371 said:

I don't know I don't work for Sony. Ask them.

No, no. You seem to be quite a reliable source. You said that Sony doesn't resort to Price Cuts like "other companies" so I thought you would have an idea on what they might do to help the Vita.

You don't need to be a reliable source to know they don't resort to price cuts so quickly. I think that's pretty evident, or do you not read into video game news that much? Busy getting your cash money from Nintendo as you said before right?

So what does Sony resort to? Half-assing 1st party releases and failing to get any significant 3rd party support? You could argue Nintendo does one of those things, but not both.

What first party releases have been "half-assed"?

Well if we simply go by Metacritic, I'd say Resistance easily fits this description. Golden Abyss could also qualify because of its flagship franchise status and its failure to move any significant amount of units, which is what 1st party software is for.



Metallicube on 02 February 2013

Let's not get carried away here.. Wii U might be doomed, but its not THAT doomed :P



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riderz13371 on 02 February 2013
Maris said:
riderz13371 said:
Maris said:
riderz13371 said:
NintendoPie said:
riderz13371 said:

I don't know I don't work for Sony. Ask them.

No, no. You seem to be quite a reliable source. You said that Sony doesn't resort to Price Cuts like "other companies" so I thought you would have an idea on what they might do to help the Vita.

You don't need to be a reliable source to know they don't resort to price cuts so quickly. I think that's pretty evident, or do you not read into video game news that much? Busy getting your cash money from Nintendo as you said before right?

So what does Sony resort to? Half-assing 1st party releases and failing to get any significant 3rd party support? You could argue Nintendo does one of those things, but not both.

What first party releases have been "half-assed"?

Well if we simply go by Metacritic, I'd say Resistance easily fits this description. Golden Abyss and could also qualify because of its flagship franchise status and its failure to move any significant amount of units, which is what 1st party software is for.

I'll agree with you on Resistance but disagree with Golden Abyss. It has sold 900k units on a handheld that has 4.1m units sold. I'd say that's a pretty good attach rate and that it did help move units during the Vita's launch, wouldn't you agree? Also are you implying that Golden Abyss failed review wise? The game has an 80 and I'd say it's a pretty good start and has a bright future ahead of itself on the Vita. They could get rid of the gimicky touch controls but they did this to show off what the Vita can do, don't forget it was a launch title so Sony probably forced them to do it.



Sensei on 03 February 2013
Viper1 said:
Sensei said:
gatito said:
This has to be a joke. An offensive one; PSV was lucky to outsell N-Gage.

Nice, now you're the one actually posting an offensive joke. :P

I think it is uncalled for because the PS Vita is actually a quality console.

Let's suppose for a moment that the PS Vita maintains this slow rate (which it won't, it will speed up) for a full 10 years, the usual Sony console cycle: that's about 35-40 Million consoles lifetime. It will still be better than Nintendo 64, Gamecube, Sega Genesis, Xbox, Dreamcast and others.

While I realize you were just giving a hypothetical situation, a console that only sells 3.5 - 4 million per year will not last 10 years on the market to begin with.  It would never gain the critical developer support to generate the market demand to last that long.

 

- PS Vita yet to receive a price cut; it will always be cheaper than the Wii U;
--------Neither has Wii U.   X360 has always been cheaper than PS3, did it matter?

- PS Vita already outselling Wii U in Europe (4 consecutive weeks now);
--------But not the US or Japan.  Or combined globally which matters more than just a single market when you're talking about what outsells what.

- PS Vita's competition is already out; Wii U's true competition is yet to come and it's falling short of sales targets already;
--------Vita also fell short of sales targets and has had it's target reduced several times.

- PS Vita's integration with PS3, PS4, PSN and PlayStation Plus could very well give it a boost via bundling or strong PS4 sales in the future; Wii U's networking services and integration don't look as strong;
--------Subjective and speculative.  

- PS Vita is more likely to receive third party support than the Wii U once the new next gen consoles come out.
---------Speculative and likely irrelevant.  Did Wii need greater 3rd party support to outsell the PSP?

On price cut: despite neither console having received a price cut, Sony will manage to keep Vita's price always lower once both cut. And I do think price matter. It did help the 360 immensely; it might not have won, but it would have done considerably worse if it was pricey as the PS3.

On WW sales: yes Wii U is beating Vita globally but by a small margin. The numbers are appalling for both platforms. And being outsold by a so called 'dead' handheld, even if in a single market, is not by any means a good sign for the Wii U. What I mean by Wii U doing bad is, any considerable boost the Vita gets will put in a position to represent danger to Wii U's sales numbers.

On sales targets: yes PS Vita missed all. But its competition was already out and doing really well. We need to see how Wii U does once PS4 and 720 are at full swing. Competing against oldies PS360 is easier for sure; not so much when new consoles with all hype around them are around stealing sales. We need to wait and see.

The final ones are indeed speculative. I believe they will happen.



Viper1 on 03 February 2013
riderz13371 said:
Maris said:

So what does Sony resort to? Half-assing 1st party releases and failing to get any significant 3rd party support? You could argue Nintendo does one of those things, but not both.

What first party releases have been "half-assed"?

Little Deviants, Resistance: Burning Skies, ModNation Racers: Road Trip and Uncharted: Fight for Fortune didn't do so well considerig their home console heritage.



The rEVOLution is not being televised

curl-6 on 03 February 2013
Sensei said:
curl-6 said:
Sensei said:
Chevinator123 said:
Maybe, it all depends on the PS4/720. We need to wait and see on what they do to the Wii-U


Exactly. They could very well Dreamcast the Wii U out of the market.

The Dreamcast didn't have the likes of Mario Kart, Smash Bros, and Zelda to fall back on, and if you're going to point out once again that the Gamecube did, it wasn't forced out of the market. ;)

Yeah I don't believe Nintendo will go the way of Sega any soon. Unless they keep putting out Virtual Boy after Virtual Boy. ;)

That said, yeah, we could reprase my quote as: "Exactly. They could very well turn the Wii U into a Gamecube of the generation". Not out, but doing quite worse compared to the rivals.

I expect the Wii U will be the 8th gen's Gamecube. It will outsell the Gamecube as the market has expanded since then, but I don't think it will capture the mass market. That said, I still believe it can be successful; I expect it to sell a respectable 50m or so lifetime and turn a tidy profit.



Vinniegambini on 03 February 2013
NintendoPie said:
riderz13371 said:

You don't need to be a reliable source to know they don't resort to price cuts so quickly. I think that's pretty evident, or do you not read into video game news that much? Busy getting your cash money from Nintendo as you said before right?

Oh, yeah. You're right, yet again! 

I must go to the bank (on Monday, of course) to cash in this latest check from Nintendo. Thanks for the reminder.

Where my money at NinPie? Iwata didn't send my cheque. U said you would talk to him..... :(