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Maris on 02 February 2013
zero129 said:

This is just lul worthy imo. You really do hate Nintendo hah? i have no other way of explaining how you post.

It's mind-boggling. The lengths some people will go..



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newwil7l on 02 February 2013

Everyone please stop replying to Ninjablade. He has no idea what he is talking about and is very confused, your only feeding the troll.

 

Moderated,

-Mr Khan



ninjablade on 02 February 2013
zero129 said:
ninjablade said:
Darc Requiem said:
ninjablade said:
dahuman said:
ninjablade said:
dahuman said:
ninjablade said:
MDMAlliance said:
ninjablade said:
IsawYoshi said:
ninjablade said:
Neogaf is doing a gpu tear down, they paid chips work 200$ to do the job, so we will no if wii u is weaker or stronger then current gen soon.

While I hate to speak about this, the wii u is more powerfull than the curent gen! For gods sake, they would have to put effort into making it worse to do so! However the wii u is built in a different way, in other words the games need to be programmed different to make them run better on the wii u. Also, many developers have stated that it is a more powerfull machine than the current gen, like frozenbyte and gearbox.


actually until beyond 3d confirms its more powerful, i don't know if it is, many developers have said its on par, some have said its more powerful, multiplatform games show its weaker, i asked the question on beyond3d http://forum.beyond3d.com/showthread.php?t=60501&page=174 i'm shinobi on there, they told me it could be weaker or stronger by 20%.

Because OBVIOUSLY only if the website YOU go to confirms it, then and only then could it possibly be true.  Wii U > PS360 in terms of its capabilities, "power" is a term I see people using way too loosely as it can mean several different things but I would still say it is pretty much confirmed that the Wii U is more powerful than the PS3 and 360.  Even the Sony and Microsoft fans making fun of the Wii U recognize this.

its not only the the website i go too, it's one of the most trusted websites, its has many insiders and tech experts on there, many people from neogaf, i wouldn't trust some no name website or even a developer working for only nintendo/sony or micrsoft, reggi lied on national tv saying blops 2 runs and looks better on wiiu.

Your mistake is trusting any PR at all, PR is shit from any corporation.


who said i trust pr, people here do, they keep on using shinen which only makes games for nintendo and not even impressive at that.


heh, I would hope people here are not stupid enough to trust any PR, but if you want to be constructive, you can help analyze the meaning behind the quotes instead of relying on other websites then start downplaying people like you always do thinking you are some hot shit. :P


lol i'm not thinking i'm hot shit or a tech expert, blame nintendo from what i read had they added 7$ on each units every single mulitplatform game would have looked better on wiiu, and we would'nt have this descussion, but they were supe cheap and won't give us the full specs, so were stuck and limbo and don't really know if iits more powerful yet. i jsut read neogaf and beyond 3d and they are the best sources IMO.


So how do you explain Gamecube ports from PS2 often being worse when the Gamecube was the more powerful system?

its because GC wasn't more powerful, the both had there advantages. http://beyond3d.com/showthread.php?t=61761 you can read for yourself.

This is just lul worthy imo. You really do hate Nintendo hah? i have no other way of explaining how you post.


what's lul worthy, i'm linking to you a descussion from developers, they both had there advantages, they were pretty close to  in terms of power. any system IMO that can't make multplatform games look better 80% of the time should not be called more powerful



dahuman on 02 February 2013
ninjablade said:
dahuman said:
ninjablade said:
dahuman said:
ninjablade said:
dahuman said:
ninjablade said:
dahuman said:
This is an interesting read as well, gives you a good idea on just how bottle necked the 360 and PS3 are.
http://www.notenoughshaders.com/2013/01/17/wiiu-memory-story/


why would you go there when we have neogaf and beyond3d, only the most trusted websites in the busines http://forum.beyond3d.com/showthread.php?t=60501&page=174.

Because I've been a member on those sites for a long time and I know for a fact that they are not always right since I'm in the IT business as well and I would rather not use them as a source because those places can be full of idiots just like everywhere else. You will notice that a lot of times, their discussions are always based on PC specs, so while the PC discussions are fine and good, the console ones can be really trashy based on my experience.

so you know for a fact wiiu is more powerful then 360/ps3? the link you posted focuses on a no name website that biased to nintendo, the people that responded to me were mods on beyond3d from a well  known and respected website.

I said it's an interesting read, how you want to take it is not exactly one of my concerns, and it's easy to say that it's faster if I sprout shit like performance per watt which is a fact :P . Like I said, Beyond3D is very good when talking about subjects based on PC specs, but I don't trust them for shit when it comes to new consoles, I still remember the hay days when the 360 came out, so much bullshit back then too.

I'm asking you though, do you know for a fact wiiu is more powerful then 360/ps3? what did they say about 360, i remeber reading that both 360 and ps3 were pretty even on beyond3d and sony fans went crazy.


Depends on the engine, it was designed really differently so you can't attack it with the same philosophy, I always thought that the console comparisons were a joke because the differences come from the coding to utilize the hardware rather than the raw spec numbers(which is never the actual number hence retarded to compare to with consoles, in this case even more ridiculous since Nintendo is hiding the specs) since people have to take into consideration the bottleneck in each device. The Wii U's CPU is no doubt weaker than the CPUs in the 360 and PS3, but the GPU is definitely more powerful, and with more efficient memory structure while offering better performance per watt. You can't even use the same philosophy of coding once the PS4 or Nextbox comes out either, thing would run like pure shit if the coders don't start from scratch and the same applies to Wii U.

When people discuss codes on there, it's usually much more interesting, that's for sure.

about the wiiu memory bandwidth, won't the gpu be starved, i also read that the wiiu edram is bottle kecked compared to 360 edram and being 33w is also a bottle neck, anyway i'm not gonna say much till we the final GPU specs.


That's because people are assuming off computer sheet specs, nobody really knows what kind of memory controller the Wii U is using or the kind of customization the Wii U CPU went under compared to the older Power they used in Power PCs or the Wii and GC yet, the question is how close the parts are together by design and on the PCB which would greatly affect the latency of real world performance on top of a competent Dev. Kit. I'm also guessing performance can be unlocked more since it's able to handle 75W max, it's just the current games using only 31-34W which is pretty crazy considering that the Wii U idles at almost the same wattage. I'm also very interested in the GPU specs though, there are so many missing puzzles that it's really hard to gauge the actual performance.



dahuman on 02 February 2013
zero129 said:
AlphaCielago said:
Oh god, Ninjablade has entered. I wonder how long this will take. I wonder if he will put RDR again.

OT - A bit interesting Q&A, well time to decode it myself or just read the beginning of this thread.


Hahahahaha he already done so in this thread

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=5084975

I said Project X wouldnt be possible on current gen and he started posting RDR. Then Barozi started posting FF13 pics and saying it looked just as good -_-

Barozi wasn't saying it looked just as good, he was saying that they ripped the look of monster from FF13, but I'm from Asia originally so I can safely say that I'm not surprised as all western dragons, goblins, orcs, and many other things look the same.



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ninjablade on 02 February 2013
dahuman said:
ninjablade said:
dahuman said:
ninjablade said:
dahuman said:
ninjablade said:
dahuman said:
ninjablade said:
dahuman said:
This is an interesting read as well, gives you a good idea on just how bottle necked the 360 and PS3 are.
http://www.notenoughshaders.com/2013/01/17/wiiu-memory-story/


why would you go there when we have neogaf and beyond3d, only the most trusted websites in the busines http://forum.beyond3d.com/showthread.php?t=60501&page=174.

Because I've been a member on those sites for a long time and I know for a fact that they are not always right since I'm in the IT business as well and I would rather not use them as a source because those places can be full of idiots just like everywhere else. You will notice that a lot of times, their discussions are always based on PC specs, so while the PC discussions are fine and good, the console ones can be really trashy based on my experience.

so you know for a fact wiiu is more powerful then 360/ps3? the link you posted focuses on a no name website that biased to nintendo, the people that responded to me were mods on beyond3d from a well  known and respected website.

I said it's an interesting read, how you want to take it is not exactly one of my concerns, and it's easy to say that it's faster if I sprout shit like performance per watt which is a fact :P . Like I said, Beyond3D is very good when talking about subjects based on PC specs, but I don't trust them for shit when it comes to new consoles, I still remember the hay days when the 360 came out, so much bullshit back then too.

I'm asking you though, do you know for a fact wiiu is more powerful then 360/ps3? what did they say about 360, i remeber reading that both 360 and ps3 were pretty even on beyond3d and sony fans went crazy.


Depends on the engine, it was designed really differently so you can't attack it with the same philosophy, I always thought that the console comparisons were a joke because the differences come from the coding to utilize the hardware rather than the raw spec numbers(which is never the actual number hence retarded to compare to with consoles, in this case even more ridiculous since Nintendo is hiding the specs) since people have to take into consideration the bottleneck in each device. The Wii U's CPU is no doubt weaker than the CPUs in the 360 and PS3, but the GPU is definitely more powerful, and with more efficient memory structure while offering better performance per watt. You can't even use the same philosophy of coding once the PS4 or Nextbox comes out either, thing would run like pure shit if the coders don't start from scratch and the same applies to Wii U.

When people discuss codes on there, it's usually much more interesting, that's for sure.

about the wiiu memory bandwidth, won't the gpu be starved, i also read that the wiiu edram is bottle kecked compared to 360 edram and being 33w is also a bottle neck, anyway i'm not gonna say much till we the final GPU specs.


That's because people are assuming off computer sheet specs, nobody really knows what kind of memory controller the Wii U is using or the kind of customization the Wii U CPU went under compared to the older Power they used in Power PCs or the Wii and GC yet, the question is how close the parts are together by design and on the PCB which would greatly affect the latency of real world performance on top of a competent Dev. Kit. I'm also guessing performance can be unlocked more since it's able to handle 75W max, it's just the current games using only 31-34W which is pretty crazy considering that the Wii U idles at almost the same wattage. I'm also very interested in the GPU specs though, there are so many missing puzzles that it's really hard to gauge the actual performance.


mods at beyond3d says it figured out already, its only a matter of 20% stronger or weaker, next week this will all be put to rest with the gpu specs, and you can't unlock more then 37W, the chip was not designed for that, LOL.



Darc Requiem on 02 February 2013
zero129 said:
ninjablade said:
Darc Requiem said:
ninjablade said:
dahuman said:
ninjablade said:
dahuman said:
ninjablade said:
MDMAlliance said:
ninjablade said:
IsawYoshi said:
ninjablade said:
Neogaf is doing a gpu tear down, they paid chips work 200$ to do the job, so we will no if wii u is weaker or stronger then current gen soon.

While I hate to speak about this, the wii u is more powerfull than the curent gen! For gods sake, they would have to put effort into making it worse to do so! However the wii u is built in a different way, in other words the games need to be programmed different to make them run better on the wii u. Also, many developers have stated that it is a more powerfull machine than the current gen, like frozenbyte and gearbox.


actually until beyond 3d confirms its more powerful, i don't know if it is, many developers have said its on par, some have said its more powerful, multiplatform games show its weaker, i asked the question on beyond3d http://forum.beyond3d.com/showthread.php?t=60501&page=174 i'm shinobi on there, they told me it could be weaker or stronger by 20%.

Because OBVIOUSLY only if the website YOU go to confirms it, then and only then could it possibly be true.  Wii U > PS360 in terms of its capabilities, "power" is a term I see people using way too loosely as it can mean several different things but I would still say it is pretty much confirmed that the Wii U is more powerful than the PS3 and 360.  Even the Sony and Microsoft fans making fun of the Wii U recognize this.

its not only the the website i go too, it's one of the most trusted websites, its has many insiders and tech experts on there, many people from neogaf, i wouldn't trust some no name website or even a developer working for only nintendo/sony or micrsoft, reggi lied on national tv saying blops 2 runs and looks better on wiiu.

Your mistake is trusting any PR at all, PR is shit from any corporation.


who said i trust pr, people here do, they keep on using shinen which only makes games for nintendo and not even impressive at that.


heh, I would hope people here are not stupid enough to trust any PR, but if you want to be constructive, you can help analyze the meaning behind the quotes instead of relying on other websites then start downplaying people like you always do thinking you are some hot shit. :P


lol i'm not thinking i'm hot shit or a tech expert, blame nintendo from what i read had they added 7$ on each units every single mulitplatform game would have looked better on wiiu, and we would'nt have this descussion, but they were supe cheap and won't give us the full specs, so were stuck and limbo and don't really know if iits more powerful yet. i jsut read neogaf and beyond 3d and they are the best sources IMO.


So how do you explain Gamecube ports from PS2 often being worse when the Gamecube was the more powerful system?

its because GC wasn't more powerful, the both had there advantages. http://beyond3d.com/showthread.php?t=61761 you can read for yourself.

This is just lul worthy imo. You really do hate Nintendo hah? i have no other way of explaining how you post.

Yeah I forgot I was dealing with the King of Nintendo Trolls. I will no longer waste my time.



ninjablade on 02 February 2013
zero129 said:
dahuman said:
zero129 said:
AlphaCielago said:
Oh god, Ninjablade has entered. I wonder how long this will take. I wonder if he will put RDR again.

OT - A bit interesting Q&A, well time to decode it myself or just read the beginning of this thread.


Hahahahaha he already done so in this thread

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=5084975

I said Project X wouldnt be possible on current gen and he started posting RDR. Then Barozi started posting FF13 pics and saying it looked just as good -_-

Barozi wasn't saying it looked just as good, he was saying that they ripped the look of monster from FF13, but I'm from Asia originally so I can safely say that I'm not surprised as all western dragons, goblins, orcs, and many other things look the same.

Nope he was saying FF13 looks just as good as it http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=5085115 .

Dont see how he can think that but mah

he can think what ever he wants, it's way more realistic then thinking the game is nextgen. when its not doing nothing better then current gen.



dahuman on 02 February 2013
ninjablade said:
dahuman said:
ninjablade said:
dahuman said:
ninjablade said:
dahuman said:
ninjablade said:
dahuman said:
ninjablade said:
dahuman said:
This is an interesting read as well, gives you a good idea on just how bottle necked the 360 and PS3 are.
http://www.notenoughshaders.com/2013/01/17/wiiu-memory-story/


why would you go there when we have neogaf and beyond3d, only the most trusted websites in the busines http://forum.beyond3d.com/showthread.php?t=60501&page=174.

Because I've been a member on those sites for a long time and I know for a fact that they are not always right since I'm in the IT business as well and I would rather not use them as a source because those places can be full of idiots just like everywhere else. You will notice that a lot of times, their discussions are always based on PC specs, so while the PC discussions are fine and good, the console ones can be really trashy based on my experience.

so you know for a fact wiiu is more powerful then 360/ps3? the link you posted focuses on a no name website that biased to nintendo, the people that responded to me were mods on beyond3d from a well  known and respected website.

I said it's an interesting read, how you want to take it is not exactly one of my concerns, and it's easy to say that it's faster if I sprout shit like performance per watt which is a fact :P . Like I said, Beyond3D is very good when talking about subjects based on PC specs, but I don't trust them for shit when it comes to new consoles, I still remember the hay days when the 360 came out, so much bullshit back then too.

I'm asking you though, do you know for a fact wiiu is more powerful then 360/ps3? what did they say about 360, i remeber reading that both 360 and ps3 were pretty even on beyond3d and sony fans went crazy.


Depends on the engine, it was designed really differently so you can't attack it with the same philosophy, I always thought that the console comparisons were a joke because the differences come from the coding to utilize the hardware rather than the raw spec numbers(which is never the actual number hence retarded to compare to with consoles, in this case even more ridiculous since Nintendo is hiding the specs) since people have to take into consideration the bottleneck in each device. The Wii U's CPU is no doubt weaker than the CPUs in the 360 and PS3, but the GPU is definitely more powerful, and with more efficient memory structure while offering better performance per watt. You can't even use the same philosophy of coding once the PS4 or Nextbox comes out either, thing would run like pure shit if the coders don't start from scratch and the same applies to Wii U.

When people discuss codes on there, it's usually much more interesting, that's for sure.

about the wiiu memory bandwidth, won't the gpu be starved, i also read that the wiiu edram is bottle kecked compared to 360 edram and being 33w is also a bottle neck, anyway i'm not gonna say much till we the final GPU specs.


That's because people are assuming off computer sheet specs, nobody really knows what kind of memory controller the Wii U is using or the kind of customization the Wii U CPU went under compared to the older Power they used in Power PCs or the Wii and GC yet, the question is how close the parts are together by design and on the PCB which would greatly affect the latency of real world performance on top of a competent Dev. Kit. I'm also guessing performance can be unlocked more since it's able to handle 75W max, it's just the current games using only 31-34W which is pretty crazy considering that the Wii U idles at almost the same wattage. I'm also very interested in the GPU specs though, there are so many missing puzzles that it's really hard to gauge the actual performance.


mods at beyond3d says it figured out already, its only a matter of 20% stronger or weaker, next week this will all be put to rest with the gpu specs, and you can't unlock more then 37W, the chip was not designed for that, LOL.

You can also take it as that the GPU is not the bottleneck of the engines they are using so it's not drawing more power and the games are running shittier, it can very well be that the engines are so CPU bound that they are not able to use the potential of the GPU since we know the Wii U can handle 75W of power.



dahuman on 02 February 2013
zero129 said:
dahuman said:
zero129 said:
AlphaCielago said:
Oh god, Ninjablade has entered. I wonder how long this will take. I wonder if he will put RDR again.

OT - A bit interesting Q&A, well time to decode it myself or just read the beginning of this thread.


Hahahahaha he already done so in this thread

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=5084975

I said Project X wouldnt be possible on current gen and he started posting RDR. Then Barozi started posting FF13 pics and saying it looked just as good -_-

Barozi wasn't saying it looked just as good, he was saying that they ripped the look of monster from FF13, but I'm from Asia originally so I can safely say that I'm not surprised as all western dragons, goblins, orcs, and many other things look the same.

Nope he was saying FF13 looks just as good as it http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=5085115 .

Dont see how he can think that but mah

oh damn..... in that case..... I already went through that part in FF13-2, and I say hells no.