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The recent Hollywood anti-fracking "blockbuster" featuring Matt Damon, Promised Land, has a producer credit to "Image Nation Abu Dhabi". INAD is a state corporation in the UAE. The UAE is a member of OPEC.


Would OPEC have anything to gain from scaring the American public away from domestic fracking?


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Al Gore's "current TV" was recently purchased by Al Jazeera, one of the WIkileaks scandal cables stated that AJ was heavily controlled by the Qatar Gov't to suit their interests. The buyout was for $500m, a lot of media reports suggest this to be a "big risk" (though, obviously, these media companies also have an interest in making the buyout seem as negative as possible)... perhaps the "big risk" was more of a back scratching for previous work by Al Gore?


Scaring the public into supporting the block of drilling on federal land surely plays into OPEC's good books.


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Are there any other examples out there of OPEC funding the green movement? Either explicitly (like Promised Land), or implicitly (like Current TV)?



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Clearly the American green movement's interests coincide with those of foreign oil monarchies, but only in the short run. Long-term, it's stupid for both of them to think that the other is a wortwhile partner.



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SamuelRSmith said:

 

The recent Hollywood anti-fracking "blockbuster" featuring Matt Damon, Promised Land, has a producer credit to "Image Nation Abu Dhabi". INAD is a state corporation in the UAE. The UAE is a member of OPEC.

Don't forget about the time that MATT DAMON sided with OPEC against Team America.



I thought this was widely known?

With how often I have seen the public finances of activist organizations published that demonstrate the bulk of their funding is completely unrealted to their cause, or how the bulk of their protests are made up of people who (mostly) have no interest in the cause and really just want to protest against someone, I thought it was well known that these activist orgaizations were simply puppets.

The reason you don't see environmental or anti-war protests against progressive governments isn't because the true activists support the government on these inititives; it is because (without Union support) they can't get people out to protest, and (without funding from anti-conservative groups) their money supply dries up.



Mr Khan said:
Clearly the American green movement's interests coincide with those of foreign oil monarchies, but only in the short run. Long-term, it's stupid for both of them to think that the other is a wortwhile partner.

Really?  I thought it'd be the exact opposite.  Either

 

A)They will want the west on renewable technologies before their oil is dry so they can have the cleapest most effective fuel to themselves for a while. 

Meanwhile the west kills itself spending unneeded money on energy that puts them at a huge competitive disadvantage and by the time oil runs out?   It's much closer to mass makret levels if not already there. 

 

B) That buy pushing renewables in the US and europe they stop some of these counties drilling.  Making their oil worth far more.



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It is very suspicious that OPEC would fund any green movement. In the short term, they are relied on for most energy needs from the USA. In the long term, they would lose so much money, if the green movement actually succeeds and became a major part of mainstream politics. I hope it does we need to move away from oil and find some new energy sources, that is inevitable. Regardless of OPEC's motives scaring people from fracking is very good. Fracking has some nasty impacts on the environment and well being of people.



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the2real4mafol said:
It is very suspicious that OPEC would fund any green movement. In the short term, they are relied on for most energy needs from the USA. In the long term, they would lose so much money, if the green movement actually succeeds and became a major part of mainstream politics. I hope it does we need to move away from oil and find some new energy sources, that is inevitable. Regardless of OPEC's motives scaring people from fracking is very good. Fracking has some nasty impacts on the environment and well being of people.


I think you greatly over-estimate the viable paths the "Green Movement" is pushing ...

Electrical cars are not (really) viable for the vast majority of people, the electrical infastructure isn't able to support most people moving over to electrical cars, and even if they did this electricity would have to be produced somewhere. Large scale wind and solar facilities are expensive, are limited where you can set them up, are environmentally distructive (and environmentalists prevent their production), and (with wind turbines) there are health issues; and micro solar and wind are several orders of magnitude more expensive and (when you include the environmental impacts from their production) do far more damage than conventional electricity.

In 25 years we will (probably) have the battery technology and the generation technology (Liquid salt thorium or fusion reactors) to move away from oil, natural gas and coal but we're stuck with them until then. If OPEC can limit the supply of oil by preventing countries like the United States from developing their resources they can keep the price high and take advantage of the opportunity while it still exists.

 

 

To put it another way ... Its November 1st and Walmart (OPEC) is doing everything in their power to limit the number of hours Target (USA) is open until the end of the year; certainly, Target will still have and be able to sell their inventory in the new year but will have missed out on the Christmas shopping season.



HappySqurriel said:
the2real4mafol said:
It is very suspicious that OPEC would fund any green movement. In the short term, they are relied on for most energy needs from the USA. In the long term, they would lose so much money, if the green movement actually succeeds and became a major part of mainstream politics. I hope it does we need to move away from oil and find some new energy sources, that is inevitable. Regardless of OPEC's motives scaring people from fracking is very good. Fracking has some nasty impacts on the environment and well being of people.


I think you greatly over-estimate the viable paths the "Green Movement" is pushing ...

Electrical cars are not (really) viable for the vast majority of people, the electrical infastructure isn't able to support most people moving over to electrical cars, and even if they did this electricity would have to be produced somewhere. Large scale wind and solar facilities are expensive, are limited where you can set them up, are environmentally distructive (and environmentalists prevent their production), and (with wind turbines) there are health issues; and micro solar and wind are several orders of magnitude more expensive and (when you include the environmental impacts from their production) do far more damage than conventional electricity.

In 25 years we will (probably) have the battery technology and the generation technology (Liquid salt thorium or fusion reactors) to move away from oil, natural gas and coal but we're stuck with them until then. If OPEC can limit the supply of oil by preventing countries like the United States from developing their resources they can keep the price high and take advantage of the opportunity while it still exists.

 

 

To put it another way ... Its November 1st and Walmart (OPEC) is doing everything in their power to limit the number of hours Target (USA) is open until the end of the year; certainly, Target will still have and be able to sell their inventory in the new year but will have missed out on the Christmas shopping season.

All technology is expensive at first, just look at how expensive 4K resolution TV's are now, eventually they will be very cheap. The same will be for wind turbines and solar panels and gradually they will get better and help to meet our energy needs. But what I fear is that alternative fuels aren't being developed at all currently, which is something we must do now. I dread to see how expensive oil will get in the future, current oil prices are only a warning of this. But it just seems OPEC is exploiting this as much as they can already. Also, i don't want to see the Arctic Ocean turn into an oil slick because of the greed and short term thinking of some oil companies. 



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Abu Dhabi are seriously investing in foreign tech that is not oil, because their oil is running out.

They bought the world's second biggest semiconductor foundry, and that is only one of the big high tech industries they are investing in.

Their plan is to use their present temporary oil wealth to invest in and bring expertise to Abu Dhabi in tech industries to slowly convert their economy to something still wealthy that is also sustainable.



Soleron said:

Abu Dhabi are seriously investing in foreign tech that is not oil, because their oil is running out.

They bought the world's second biggest semiconductor foundry, and that is only one of the big high tech industries they are investing in.

Their plan is to use their present temporary oil wealth to invest in and bring expertise to Abu Dhabi in tech industries to slowly convert their economy to something still wealthy that is also sustainable.

Right. Some of the oil monarchies are preparing for the future. Others (notably Saudi Arabia) are going to face revolution sometime in the next 25 years.



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