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Do you think Homosexuality can be cured?

WHAT?? You can't cure it. 61 31.77%
 
You Can't, Homosexuality is a Choice 9 4.69%
 
No, it's just a matter o... 39 20.31%
 
Yes, Through Psychological/Social Therapy 19 9.90%
 
Yes, Through Drugs, It's... 8 4.17%
 
Yes, though Genetic Modifications 9 4.69%
 
Yes, though Drugs & T... 6 3.13%
 
I'm not sure 8 4.17%
 
See Results 33 17.19%
 
Total:192
riderz13371 on 22 January 2013

You can't "cure" a sexual preference.



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NintendoPie on 22 January 2013
Gribble said:

It has NOTHING to do with you. Homosexuals don't care if you 'don't mind'. It's dismissive and patronising. I have had many homosexual friends over the years but I wouldn't have kept many if I'd said to them 'I don't mind' that you're Homosexual. You know what I did? They were my friends!

Again, you took my comments the wrong way.

I have Homosexual friends. They don't bother me, they are great people. I don't bother them, they think I'm a funny and nice person. We coincide with each other. We are both humans who have our own opinions on things, own beliefs, and own lives.

I would also like to tell you that when I mentioned "If it's your choice, we can change it" I didn't mean that Homosexuality is a choice. I was giving an example of what other people may think and saying that our society can "change" that.



Gribble on 22 January 2013
NintendoPie said:
Gribble said:

It has NOTHING to do with you. Homosexuals don't care if you 'don't mind'. It's dismissive and patronising. I have had many homosexual friends over the years but I wouldn't have kept many if I'd said to them 'I don't mind' that you're Homosexual. You know what I did? They were my friends!

Again, you took my comments the wrong way.

I have Homosexual friends. They don't bother me, they are great people. I don't bother them, they think I'm a funny and nice person. We coincide with each other. We are both humans who have our own opinions on things, own beliefs, and own lives.

I would also like to tell you that when I mentioned "If it's your choice, we can change it" I didn't mean that Homosexuality is a choice. I was giving an example of what other people may think and saying that our society can "change" that.

What I'm saying is the debate itself creates divisions through language. You say you don't mind. Don't mind what exactly? Think about it. Then you say in the latest comment: THEY don't bother me, THEY are great people. I had friends that happened to be homosexual, but I didn't see them as homosexual friends. There IS a distinction.  It wasn't me and them, it was US.



NintendoPie on 22 January 2013
Gribble said:

What I'm saying is the debate itself creates divisions through language. You say you don't mind. Don't mind what exactly? Think about it. Then you say in the latest comment: THEY don't bother me, THEY are great people. I had friends that happened to be homosexual, but I didn't see them as homosexual friends. There IS a distinction.

I don't know what is wrong with saying "they." 

@Bold: Are you talking about me? If yes, then you are wrong. I knew they were Homosexual. I accepted them for that. There isn't anything wrong with that. Do not take this the wrong way, please.



Gribble on 22 January 2013
NintendoPie said:
Gribble said:

What I'm saying is the debate itself creates divisions through language. You say you don't mind. Don't mind what exactly? Think about it. Then you say in the latest comment: THEY don't bother me, THEY are great people. I had friends that happened to be homosexual, but I didn't see them as homosexual friends. There IS a distinction.

I don't know what is wrong with saying "they." 

@Bold: Are you talking about me? If yes, then you are wrong. I knew they were Homosexual. I accepted them for that. There isn't anything wrong with that. Do not take this the wrong way, please.

What I'm saying is the debate itself creates divisions through language.

Instead of saying 'I don't mind' say 'I don't care' and then you'll begin to understand.



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Michael-5 on 22 January 2013
fordy said:
Michael-5 said:
fordy said:
 


The difference is (in your albinoism example earlier), that Albinos would probably choose based on medical conditions. If an albino chose to become "normal" because he was being outcast by society, then I see that as society's fault. Same with homosexuality. Unfortuntely, the majority of homosexuals who want to be hetero do it because of outside influence, or opression from society, since there really is little to no medical reason to change from becoming homosexual. It's generally a push from society into forcing people into a narrow view, and that only has a negative impact on diversity. I'd love to hear your thoughts on my suffrage example, since we are in similar times with homosexuality. If there were something to turn women into men at the times when suffrage was being debated, would it have affected the rights of women? The difference is, something would be enacted to keep women as women (because no women = no new generation), but I wouldn't see anything smiliar occuring if homosexuals gave up their fight for equal power and became heterosexual.

Unfortunately you cannot draw a line in this situation. Forcibly administering treatment goes against personal liberties, but if the individual is a danger to those around them, it is negligent to let said person make the first move and possibly murder somebody before treatment is administered. then there's other possibilities such as lifestyle changes that could help control conditions. I wouldn't go as far as making any treatment mandatory, but something would need to be devised on when treatment should be administered against individual consent (and not be abused, like giving a legitimate reason to administer treatment for homosexuality).

Well, you're right, comparing homosexuality to albinoism isn't fair because most Albino's probably want to be "cured" where only a fraction (won't even debate the size) of homosexuals want to be....normalized (be a part of the heterosexual normal, the average). However your sufferage example would be hard to explain to people, and most people would just ignore it and say " He's Anit-Gay."

Aside: Heck, people have been turning what I have to say around all though this debate because they don;t understand, or don;t both to read my comments. For example, I don't believe there is a Gay Gene, but in the other thread, almost every response (especially from this one guy Tom3K) started off with "There is no Gay Gene!" and then an arguement was presented. Who are they arguing with?

On Topic: With your suffrage example....I don't think people should be able to change their genders, but in this day and age, we're letting a lot of freaks do whatever they want and accepting it. Regardless, this is different from being a homosexual because in the sufforage example, those women who became gay are doing it for voting rights. Remaining homosexual, or conterting to be a heterosexual gains you no marriage rights (In Canada), no voting rights, no diability rights, no tax breaks, nothing.

 

As for your coments on forced treatment for homosexuality, well....what can you say? When is homosexuality ever dangerous? If a homosexual is being abused, I think the problem is the abuser, not the homosexual. I don't see any condition where we should force an individual to live a heterosexual life.

I think the gender changing is yet another condition. I actually have a niece who always identified herself as a boy, and is planning gender reassignment in the near future. Would I consider it freaky? No, I'd consider it another state of mind, just like homosexuality. It's not hard to imagine, however, considering at one stage of conception, we are all a "single gender" and changed into our gender stages by genetic and hormonal influences. Anything is possible there. Check out hormonal influences and the effects it has on Spotted Hyenas.

Back to topic, places where homosexuality is accepted I don't see any problem with. However, places where homosexuality is still shunned upon in society, the society should learn to accept before they are allowed any treatment to be administered in such places. 

When is homosexuality ever dangerous? It never is. Will some individuals of society try to justify it is in order to turn people hetero? Absolutely! Whether it's by seperate means, all in the name of administering such a drug...

I dunno about your sister, wouldn't altering that state of mind be a simpler solution then a sex change operation? What about all the people your future Brother shares an intimate encounter with. Don't they deserve to know the person they are sleeping with/dating used to be a woman?

I'll hold judgement on your sister, and transexuals in general, but I don't know if sex change is the best course of action.

However transexuals who are some hybrid of male/female (like shemales), I think this is an abomination. What are your thoughts?

As for treatment, I agree, and it would be scary if we devisted a cure tomorrow and the Middle East forces people to take it. I'm not sure if this is a bad thing if we can identify and change who is a homosexual before puberty (Does it have any effect at all?), but the people who have already lived a life of homosexuality.

Whatever happens, the world will be an interesting place. Isn't Diversity good? I know I have no plans to go to the Middle East.



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Zappykins on 22 January 2013
Michael-5 said:
Boutros said:
Michael-5 said:
NintendoPie said:
Homosexuality could be cured, I think. If it's something in your genes, we can change that. (Based off of recent research.) If it's your choice, we can change that. If it's something that's been put onto you, we can change that.

Does that mean I want to change it? No. I think it's perfectly fine.

This basically sums up the thread. ./

Damn, you're good at making short to the point, and well written responces.


Except I differ from you on wanting to change it.

Didn't know you were gay. It changes everything.

If I were homosexual, would my voice on this matter be any different?

Calm down, nobody is calling you one of those dirty filthy heterosexuals that are overfilling the world with children.



 

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Jay520 on 22 January 2013

@Michael-5

You said " Sure, but regardless it's still a biological Disruption from the established normal. People become homosexuals because of some error, somewhere, but is that a bad thing? Only when you make it so."

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I've already told you I don't agree with the biological argument, so the question isn't applicable to me.



Mnementh on 22 January 2013

Can we cure red hair, brown eyes, black skin, independent thoughts, religion, love? Maybe we can now or at a later time with scientific progress. Should we?



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Zappykins on 22 January 2013

Michael-5 said: "... and I don't want to force anyone to become heterosexual, but I would like the option to exist. I know a few homosexuals, and a couple of them want to live heterosexual lives, but they are pretty weird/stressed because of it."

OMG,this and the opposite would make the funniest reality show ever!  Take a homophobic anti-gay person, give them a pill, and watch them go crazy!  Except I think most every anti-gay person is for some very personal issues.  (Usually, it's because they like George Alan Rekers, is gay, or their spouce, like Antia Bryant's Husband. ) But it could still make funny television and Fred Phelps as the season closer.  

Even 'Dr. Laura' didn't get anti-gay till everyone was telling her son was going to turn out homosexual.  Coworkers were pointing out he seemed gay at 4. "Larua, your nine year old kid loves the chess club, and to go collect antique furniture - he is going to be GAY!"

Anyway, people that can't accept themselves in ways that can't changed just make me sad.  Like some Asian people have eye surgery to try to look more western or people getting those terrible looking lip injections.  Everyone has their own beauty; its sad when they can’t see it.

 



 

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