i saw your post as i was writting that and i have to agree with you.  nintendo doesn't need to show everything but a 30 second teaser from a visually stunning retro project would do amazing things to change wiiU's perception.

Kitler belongs to a vocal minority that comprises most of the internet. Ultimately, they are not the people who resulted in 140m HD twin console sales last gen, to put it simply. Neither do their views reflect that of the consumerbase that bought those 140m units.

They are vocal, okay I accept that, but in the end, they aren't what's important as you put it, not centrally no.

Also, in the 360's launch time, those online were much more pro Playstation, since the PS2 was just ending its reign of utter dominance against the other brands. That didn't stop the 360 from pushing consoles with not too many game releases. There was the elder scrolls, Hitman, Call of Duty WaW, but not much else.

@Mr Khan. Did you go to DS's thread about what Nintendo is up to? Many of those have yet to show some output. And, for instance, Mario galaxy came out in Nov 2007. That was 4 years ago.

@M.U.G.E.N. That's what I'm saying. I'm starting to think they had little at launch to be ready for the REAL launch, that is WiiU year 2 and PS720 year 1, where it really matters, where it mattered for the 360 and the PS2 respectively iirc.

They are silent because they did the same mistake that with 3DS: Big post-launch drought. Unfortunately, this time a remake of Ocarina of TIme won't save it.

But a remake of Wind Waker...

maybe i and the forums on VGC are a small corner of the world but what about ign, gamespot, kotaku, gametrailers?  they keep posting negative articles and their combined reach is pretty far.   they are especially far reaching in that core market that you began the OP with suggesting nintendo is going to win over.

But happyD: that's a HUGE gamble and will put a lot of things at risk. Kitler brings out a very valid point about it too. It will harm the image of the product and if nintendo doesn't act fast that harm might be severe. It also counts on both MSony to absolute fuck up with their launches.

Let's be real here, even in the worst case scenario, MSony will release systems that are more powerful than the wiiu. And if Nintendo keep everything for E3 and MSony have hardware reveals plus games for them it will be REALLY hard to grab any headlines and hype for the wiiu. And say they keep the best looking games they have until E3...what if SSM, ND, 343 etc show games on the rival systems with more power? Then the countless comparing and downplaying of wiiu's capabilities would be through the roof

Kitler is right..they need to at least user teaser trailers etc to keep the hype going for the system. Smash, bayo etc etc. Because their Q1 line up will not be enough

@mugen, pezus. You guys make good points.

But when I pause and look at the importance of exclusives versus the appeal of the most graphically dominant console, it paints another picture (look at the PS1!).

So as much as I'm feeling convinced by you guys, as much as it seems to disregard the trends of vg history. But I guess the difference is that MicroSony present a dual-force for Nintendo to recon with in the later gens, since multi-platform support has become the norm, is it a new playing field? The Wii says so. That despite being #1, it was two-handed by its competitors, and it worked for them.

@pezus. I realize that gears was announced in advance, but it was released in year 2. Maybe you mean to say what kitler and muge are saying, that it's better to announce to ensure support than to stay quiet and pack a punch.

Yeah, people forget that Gears of War didn't come out until Nov 2006, and it came out with a major marketing push with awesome, really awesome commercials. That was when people started to care about 360. But the system had still sold over 5 million by that time and Wii U will do the same, because early adopters don't care. 50k unit sales weeks suck, no question, but it doesn't matter much in the long run. Nintendo will launch some impressive games this fall and do a marketing blitz and with competitors now being more expensive sales will probably take off.

And Kitler isn't the target market of WiiU, and isn't who Nintendo needs to win over. He loves his Sony products, so converting him would be tough. He has also stated he is more than willing to pay a high premium for a product he desires. This is not Nintendo's market because they make affordable products. Nintendo's success depends largely on those consumers who compare price as a significant factor before making a purchase. Nintendo neeeds to win over the mass market with an appealing product at a good price. Those people probably don't care about any trailers at E3, but games that are on shelves or coming soon.

well here's how I see it..they though that

1. NSMB would be a big hardware mover (could be...who knows it might have been way worse without it)

2. Casual will fall in love with the pad (I think this is a BIG mistake. A pad that can interact with the tv is not a new idea nowadays. So despite things like off tv play it's something that won't grab the attention of the casuals like the wii did. The unimaginative marketing doesn't help either wub wub wub wiiu a new a console wub wub wub do this wub do that wub and more wub. I heard they parted ways with the guys who did the wii would like to play advertisements. BIG mistake. Those commercials were simple, catchy and very effective)

3. Being a next gen console in the market way before the rivals would entice core gamers. I guess they didn't think the backlash regarding specs would be this severe.

new perspective i just thought of to add.

how damaging to vita and boosting to 3DS was the MH4 announcement? think about it.

(Point 3) Isn't it odd though the way the market is behaving. When the 64 had the better specs than the PS1, nobody seemed to care, they just cared that they had the games they wanted. I'm not sure why it's so different today.

I agree with the first two points.