Nah, this never did matter. Yes, Germans demanded from us to give a part of our country so that they could connect the parts of their country - which was absurd, even just because it would divide our country in two parts as well. But do you think that had we given them that small part, they'd decide not to attack us? Seriously? You think that a railroad to Prussia would convince Hitler to abandon his plan of world domination? Don't be joking...

And our forces were not a hundredth of their forces. In fact, had Russia not attacked us in the back on 17th of September 1939 (something I found that many people in the West don't know about), the history of WWII could have looked different. We were losing that war, but were still live and kicking 3 weeks into the war, when Russians attacked. This also puts the bravery of the French in new light, since we fought vs. Germany and Russia longer, than they did vs. Germany alone...

As I proved in the earlier post, no. Neither Piłsudski, nor Poland has ever been as much of an asshole as you were, sorry. And we have never been a particularly aggressive nation focusing on conquest - something you probably don't understand. And we know how to fight with the "big boys". We have never lost a single war against either Russia or Germany, that was fought 1 vs. 1. The only times you won, was when you allied up against us. "Big boys" teaming up to fight the smallest nation out of them all... When we conquered Russia, the single country in history that managed it, we didn't need help from anyone...

And we were partitioned 3 times. 4 if you count 1939, though we don't count it as one.

@Mnementh

^See? Typical  human reaction: " Everyone else is bad, we're good. There's always somebody else to blame" :D

Getting back to Chinese, so this discussion would be somewhat on topic. I've talked to Chinese, I lived in China (both ROC and PRC), they're indeed bonkers over Japanese wrongdoings on their land. I always found it strange in a way. Say, what side except for Chinese that suffered the most mistreatment in WW2? That's Soviet civilian population obviously, Russian, Jewish, everyone. If you're bored with historical documents, you may read Slaughterhouse-Five to check the difference between POW camps for Soviets and for everyone else. But _never_ I saw Russians were so obessed with the past, blaming Germans for whatever, there's even certain level Germanophilia is going on (both on public and political levels). Probably that's because unlike Chinese (only techically a winning side) Soviet Union actually won that war. So this's more about national humiliation than anything.

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So if the world would be better of without Serbs and Russians what solution do you propose? While I understand your hatred towards communism I suspect your reasons go deeper than that. There have been many people in history that have placed negative labels and stereotypes on other nations and this has never ended well.

For all your hatred of Russia it is ironic that you hate those that liberated your country from those that at the time considered your people inferior and subhuman. All of Eastern Europe would have been colonised if the Fascist invasion had not been forced back.

As far as history goes it is written by the victors so it's not like those books are entirely factual. 

Bottom line is we may like to think someone is good or bad or right or wrong but the only thing that matters is power and if you are weak you will be used and abused by the strong.  So your assertions about Serbs and Russians is one side of the worldview and your seeming desire to see them wiped is nothing more than a twisted and sick fantasy.

Aw, how sad...

Nah, this is not this type of a reaction. You are simply talking BS.

To the POWs - I showed you proof that there was no such thing. That 3 times more Polish POWs died in your camps during that war, which you started in the first place and you still think you've got something? Seriously? What you thought was a lie, deal with it. We weren't murdering POWs, if anyone has to appologise, you should appologise us yet again, since you were easily worse in every aspect. Oh, and now you say mistreatment? That is a difference from mass-murder, isn't it? So now go on reading about what the world looked like in 1920s and maybe you'll see, that we were not to blame. We couldn't do more, we acted in a way normal at the time. I'm happy you're learning.

To Czechoslovakia - yeah, we had a conflict (not a military one!) in 1918 and they took it from us. Face the facts - that area was populated mainly by Poles (let me repeat  - 125k Poles vs. 30k Czechs), their country just lost independence to a country hostile to Poland, so we decided to move in and protect our people. I call that being responsible for your people and would do the same thing. You are also lying saying that we did this with the Germans. It's a historical fact that we did this on our own, there are documents for it. There was no cooperation, at this point in history we weren't doing a thing together with Germany. The photo with tanks is nice, but you think it proves something for you? Cause it doesn't. We sent them to manifest the fact, that we take control of this region, cause you know - the Germans were just taking over this country and they weren't the ones that would just accept a letter from us saying that we take this part of Czechoslovakia and say: "ok, it's yours". These tanks aren't fighting, but are on a parade. Nobody was hurt during this process, no shots were fired since our army was pretty much welcomed as heroes, protecting the people from the Nazis. Bear with it. The only country that lost anything because of this was Germany, since they just took over Czechoslovakia.

Stop telling lies, ok? Armia Krajowa was an undergrund organisation fighting with the Germans at first and fiercely fighing with the Russians later on. That's probably why you have this false image of them, since the communists hated them and were hunting down and killing them long after the war, even into the 1950s. They were not cooperating with the Germans, AK was created to fight the Germans. They started the Warsaw Uprising against them, the biggest uprising in the WWII in which 250k Poles were killed. That's not what people who cooperate with you do.

Hundreds of thousands of Poles served in German army and SS? WOW! Our own army was 950k people strong, so this would mean we actually fielded a second army almost equally strong? Damn, were we good! There were some Poles who served in German army, but not many and most of them were forced to do so and mainly came from Silesia in which German influence has been huge through the centuries and they even speak a language that's a mix of Polish and German. Most of them have double citizenship even today, so you can't count them as typical Poles. I have a few friends from there, who speak better German than regular Polish. Hell, Franciszek Smuda - a Pole, the head coach of our football team on Euro 2012 speaks better German than Polish! There was a reason they had authonomy and their own parliament before the war and some of them want to regain it now. On top of that Poles who were collaborating were called "Volksdeutsch" (a term which is an insult to this day), they were hated, persecuted and tried by Polish underground courts and often sentenced to capital punishment. So no, what you claim is just another big fat lie or you just don't know history.

And no, Polish people are not resposible for mass murders of Jews, stop repeating that or I will report you if you say that again. I'm very sorry, but this is just lies and you should stop humiliating yourself by repeating things like this. Try to find any proof for the things you claim before you state them, ok?

So in general, stop repeating these lies. I feel sorry for you, that you live in a country like Russia, where old communist lies and propaganda are still present and so much alive among people, but you have Internet now, so try to do your own research on western web pages before you try to attack a country that has always been against yours. Cause you just might find, that your propaganda experts have tinkered with the facts...

If you plan to answer, please show some proof for your claims or just better shut up.

They have not liberated us. They conquered us, introduced their own terror, mass murders and further destruction of our nation. Something we unfortunately still haven't shaken off to this day. When I ask my grandparents or grand-grandparents about the WWII, they all agree that the Germans were bad, but the Russians were far, far worse. And I believe them. It's true that Hitler at first considered us to be subhuman and wanted to annihilate all Poles together with the Jews, but the truth is that he changed his mind after some time. We know from his personal notes, that he changed his attitude towards us after conquering us, when he realised how skillfully we organised our resistance (the largest resistance force in history), how we managed to organise everything, refused to collaborate unlike the French and continued to sabotage their actions all the time.

To the Serbs and Russians - I have no solutions and by no means am I suggesting to wipe them out! Especially I have absolutely no issues with Serbia, I'm just acknowledging what they did just a couple years ago, what their attitute towards their neighbours is currently and I refuse to call them "good people". I'm stating the fact, the world would be a better place without them, without the hurt and suffering they have caused and are still causing. The only solution is to make them grow up, the way Germans did. The difference between Germany and Russia+Serbia, is that the Germans acknowledged the evil they caused and changed their ways. These guys still can't do it and still form an "axis of evil", even if in the current geopolitical situation there are bigger threats to America and they are overlooked. And Serbia is obviously just a local Balcan bully, not a real world-wide evil.

^Scisca, I'm not gonna answer your post in entirety, too much trouble and waste of time, nobody gonna read anyway. Next time keep it short, get to the point, walls of texts kill the discussion. Instead I'll elobrate what you seem didn't get.

a) Nazis almost universally have been acknowledged responsible for war crimes during WW2, and rightfully so, but blaming one side is rarely how things did happen and ultimately lays the foundation for future conflicts. To the best of my recollection, only French republic and Soviet Union en masse prosecuted their war criminals after the war, which is understandable given how many collaborationists they had on occupied territory. May I ask what happened to Polish collaborationists and war criminals? Nothing? Typical.

Maybe flawed exmaple, but Yugoslavia case in recent time pretty good illustrates the point. I did spend quite some time explaining bias of ICTY towards Serbian side of conflict specifically, which should be obvious to everyone by now. How do you think would that help the situation if Serbs are the only one to blame? It begs for revanchism.

b) Speaking about revanchism. Polish dictator, Pilsudsku, publically claimed to restore Poland in borders of 1772, and he did follow his claim. Polish-Czechoslovakia conflict over Teschen Silesia (1918-20), which eventually was occupied thanks to Munich agreement in 1938, and Polish-Soviet War (1919-21) are good examples of said ambitions. Nor Silesia, nor Kiev, where Polish army ended by 1920, had nothing to do with Polish territory by the time it obtained independece from Russian Empire. Territorial expansion it is, on both fronts, East and West, which eventually failed and lead to Poland non-existence. BTW during both conflicts Polish army practiced forceful expatriation of local population, for the most part Jewish, so anti-Jewish sentiments that flourished during Nazi occupation of Poland isn't smth new.

So we're back to my initial point. Poland isn't innocent lamb, but a valid contender on the European political field at the time, that followed it's revanchism sentiments, making enemies on both sides of it's borders, failed due to lack of raw power, suffered from it and eventually retired as any sort of moderatly significant power for the rest of eternity.

Overall I like your reaction :D so I'd probably continue with my attitude of challenging Polish (or whoever) monopoly to whine and victimize themselves if it results in such and overly emotional rant and more importantly -- denial.