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Player1x3 said:
 


I see history isn't your strong point 

Not true, history is one of the subjects I find most interresting.

Before WWI Serbia dreamed of uniting a lot of slavic areas into a Great Slavia, and after WWI Yugoslavia was created. But it didn't work out too well because Bosnians, Croatians, Serbians, etc, didn't get along and it fractured. Still Great Slavia =/= Serbia because Serbia was just one part of it, IMO.



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Player1x3 said:
ROFLMAO said:
Player1x3 said:


No, not the children. The government and it's forces 


The present government and it's forces have done nothing wrong at all, as have none of the present people of Japan, wishing death on them for something that happened 70 years ago borders on retarded. If the government was 'completely destroyed and humiliated' as you wish, you can bet that in the process and aftermath thousands, if not millions of innocent civilians (a solid portion of whom would be children) would die as a result.  Chinese military superiority in the region would be incredibly dangerous as well, not only to Japan, but Vietnam, India, South Korea and practically every other country in the region as China's ridiculous territorial claims would be enforced.


People shit on germans all the time for WW2, even today still. Despite Germans shoving billion times more remorse, apologies and improvement in mentality. Whereas as Japanese don't even know/recognize their crimes, some of the criminals are still given respect and recognition today. Also, the country's extreme xenophobia make me question do they even think Japan was on bad side during the war.

And I'd say American military superiority in the world has been proven to be alot more dangerous than chinese superiority in Asia...

Japanese politics are complicated in that sense. Younger Japanese tend to be global-minded and more pacifist and apologetic. The trouble is that Japan is a gerontocracy to the hilt, and the older guys who run things tend to be more nationalistic.

Indeed, Shinzo Abe is trying to retract the only "apology" Japan ever gave out in 1995. But he does not speak for all Japanese in this (they don't vote for the LDP because of the LDP's frightful foreign policy aspirations, they voted for the LDP because they tried the DPJ and the DPJ didn't do anything worthwhile, so the LDP's crap does not have the popular mandate behind it).



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mai said:
oni-link said:
Dragon246 said:

Its about oil. South Asian sea are rich in oil reserves. No one wants the fucking island.
That said. Nothing will happen. Although concerns over hardwares can happen. War, not so much.
Sony and ninty will be interested. China has already stopped exports of rare metals to japan, thats why japan is contacting India for that.

China is all about boasting. They will never launch an assault on any country.


Vietnam and India would beg to differ.

And a couple of Taiwan Strait crises in 1950s, two border conflicts with Soviet Union in 1969. Outside of Sino-Indian war nothing could be described as stellar performance here on Chinese part. Why'd you think an idiom "last Chinese warning" was born? :D

Time will tell, but me doubts anything "exciting" (if war excites you) will come out of it.

 

It seeems like your the one who is EXCITED about war here.  If you read my OP, I wish nothing to come out of this; since it would most likely hurt my gaming hobby (and a lot more things) if shit hits the fan.  I am just saying that from history China is not beyond stepping into other people's territory and claiming them based on antiquated history.



Mnementh said:
Otakumegane said:
Argh_College said:

Off - Topic

Chinese dont like Japan.

Once Microsoft starts sellings Xboxs there the best.

Xbox will own 95% marketshare there easilly

I don't see this happening because China hates America a lot more than Japan.

Wait, what? Every in the far east (except Japanese) hates Japan, because of what they did in WWII. America was allied with China in WWII. Also America is named 'pretty country' in Chinese, that must have some effect.

Yeah... anybody who thinks China haes the US more then Japan hasn't really paid much attention to history or internal chinese politics.

I mean i'd suggest he wikipedia "The rape of Nanking".

That alone has caused more bad blood... not to mention the various wars and then the Puppet state of Manchukuo.  

Though they are quite economically tied, the masses of both countries can't stand each other.



Kasz216 said:
Mnementh said:
Otakumegane said:
Argh_College said:

Off - Topic

Chinese dont like Japan.

Once Microsoft starts sellings Xboxs there the best.

Xbox will own 95% marketshare there easilly

I don't see this happening because China hates America a lot more than Japan.

Wait, what? Every in the far east (except Japanese) hates Japan, because of what they did in WWII. America was allied with China in WWII. Also America is named 'pretty country' in Chinese, that must have some effect.

Yeah... anybody who thinks China haes the US more then Japan hasn't really paid much attention to history or internal chinese politics.

I mean i'd suggest he wikipedia "The rape of Nanking".

That alone has caused more bad blood... not to mention the various wars and then the Puppet state of Manchukuo.  

Though they are quite economically tied, the masses of both countries can't stand each other.


Hence, my worry it might develop into an armed conflict. Which it will hurt not only my gaming hobby but innocent lives in the process.



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Mr Khan said:
Player1x3 said:
ROFLMAO said:
Player1x3 said:
 


No, not the children. The government and it's forces 


The present government and it's forces have done nothing wrong at all, as have none of the present people of Japan, wishing death on them for something that happened 70 years ago borders on retarded. If the government was 'completely destroyed and humiliated' as you wish, you can bet that in the process and aftermath thousands, if not millions of innocent civilians (a solid portion of whom would be children) would die as a result.  Chinese military superiority in the region would be incredibly dangerous as well, not only to Japan, but Vietnam, India, South Korea and practically every other country in the region as China's ridiculous territorial claims would be enforced.


People shit on germans all the time for WW2, even today still. Despite Germans shoving billion times more remorse, apologies and improvement in mentality. Whereas as Japanese don't even know/recognize their crimes, some of the criminals are still given respect and recognition today. Also, the country's extreme xenophobia make me question do they even think Japan was on bad side during the war.

And I'd say American military superiority in the world has been proven to be alot more dangerous than chinese superiority in Asia...

Japanese politics are complicated in that sense. Younger Japanese tend to be global-minded and more pacifist and apologetic. The trouble is that Japan is a gerontocracy to the hilt, and the older guys who run things tend to be more nationalistic.

Indeed, Shinzo Abe is trying to retract the only "apology" Japan ever gave out in 1995. But he does not speak for all Japanese in this (they don't vote for the LDP because of the LDP's frightful foreign policy aspirations, they voted for the LDP because they tried the DPJ and the DPJ didn't do anything worthwhile, so the LDP's crap does not have the popular mandate behind it).


Looking at the sales of the 360 there, i would say the vast majority is nacionalist.



Nem said:
Mr Khan said:

Japanese politics are complicated in that sense. Younger Japanese tend to be global-minded and more pacifist and apologetic. The trouble is that Japan is a gerontocracy to the hilt, and the older guys who run things tend to be more nationalistic.

Indeed, Shinzo Abe is trying to retract the only "apology" Japan ever gave out in 1995. But he does not speak for all Japanese in this (they don't vote for the LDP because of the LDP's frightful foreign policy aspirations, they voted for the LDP because they tried the DPJ and the DPJ didn't do anything worthwhile, so the LDP's crap does not have the popular mandate behind it).


Looking at the sales of the 360 there, i would say the vast majority is nacionalist.

McDonald's/Apple products/Windows/Star Wars

The Xbox's disconnect with Japan is based around culturally incompatibility, but not because "it's bad because it's not made by a Japanese company." Many Western products and ideas fit Japanese sensibilities. Xbox does not (for the very reasons that i myself and many who are not Xbox fans dislike the brand: it tries so hard to be cool that it ends up being a parody of itself, like Mountain Dew).



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KungKras said:
Player1x3 said:
 


I see history isn't your strong point 

Not true, history is one of the subjects I find most interresting.

Before WWI Serbia dreamed of uniting a lot of slavic areas into a Great Slavia, and after WWI Yugoslavia was created. But it didn't work out too well because Bosnians, Croatians, Serbians, etc, didn't get along and it fractured. Still Great Slavia =/= Serbia because Serbia was just one part of it, IMO.

Serbia is a political succsesor of Yugoslavia. In 2003, FRY was renamed to Serbia & Montenegro, after Montenegro declared independance, Serbia was the only state left that was a part of original Yugoslavia. It even kept the same capital city



oni-link said:
Mnementh said:
oni-link said:
 

This actually is a show to India as well (China and India had a small war and still have disputed territories to battle over) to show that they are ready to fight them as well.  China has a good relationship with Pakistan (better than India) so this war would likely give India pause before challenging China by force. http://www.firstpost.com/topic/place/south-china-sea-india-warns-china-we-will-use-force-to-protect-oil-interest-video-uASByFNefjo-83348-1.html If India is not careful they may find themselves fighting two dangerous opponents at the same time.  A war with Japan would make sense as Japan is the USA best ally (followed by the Philippines which China is also in conflict) in the region.  Defeating both American allies would hinder and limit American influence in the region and make the other asian countries more submissive to China. (tactics people c'mon ) http://betterphils.blogspot.com/2012/01/china-wants-to-takeover-us-military.html  It is going to happen and happen soon.  The USA is currently at it's lowest point economically and militarily; it makes sense for China to strike now while us Americans are still bogged down in the middle east. (sucks)  I just hope we can somehow show some sort of force to deter them and stop them from attacking our allies!!!

Oh, come on. China is trading with the world and it's economy is based on that. And yes, Japan is an important customer. So, even if China wins a war with Japan, it's economy would take a serious hit. Also going into war with Japan basically means going into war with the US. That will not happen. You are right, America is on a low point economically (lowest would mean it can't go lower in the future, and I'm not so sure about that). But militarily the US is dominating everyone in the world. China is in no way able to fight with the US-force.

 

One thing to consider is...how far will the USA go in defending Japan in our current situation.  It won't be WWIII, I never said it would.  But I have serious doubts on the long term commitment the US has in defending Japan in our current situation.  Besides China has multiple reasons to weaken American influence in Asia in order to be the leading Super Power in that area. One being is the unification of Taiwan, by force if need be.  That's the reason for the formation of the eastern and southern sea fleets if you don't know.

China has much more ways to reduce the influence in Asia than to risk their economy at a war. The track record says the same, China has started in the last decades far less wars than the US had. They usually use economic influence to push their political ideas.

And I don't believe in the situation with Taiwan will be used militaric force. They didn't in the past and will not do it now. Taiwan actually is the Republic of China, the predecessor state to the Peoples Republic of China. They also claim the China mainland, that these communist rebels have taken over. Not realistically at this point. And that's fine for the PRC, as this states the idea of one China. I think the solution with Taiwan will look like the one with Hongkong.



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