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aikohualda said:
hardcore gamers have all consoles...

You could be hardcore for one company though.



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AgentZorn said:
S.T.A.G.E. said:


The consensus is that the Wii U is on par with current gen consoles. The major reason why the next gen consoles will probably cost around $450-500 is because of the fact that devs have demanded power from Microsoft and Sony in particular. I am talking Activision, EA, Ubisoft, Crytek, Epic Square Enix and more whom have already shown their next gen engines. I am not even sure the Wii U will make the best out of those engines. Really and truly I don't think they even care. They've always dealt with Nintendo in a secondary fashion. Like Zombie U? Great...wait to see what Ubisoft has planned for the other next gen consoles.

A $500 console is not going to fare well right now. Some people do care aout the graphical capabilities of a console but they care more about their wallets. The main reason why the Wii U is not selling is because of its price and cheaper alternatives. I'm also a bit worried about development costs if we do see a gigantic graphical leap. I know some will argue that it's mostly marketing that is taking up most of the costs, but I do know that publishers sure as hell will not change that. 


Who said the Wii U isn't selling? It's doing fine right now.



S.T.A.G.E. said:
AgentZorn said:
S.T.A.G.E. said:


The consensus is that the Wii U is on par with current gen consoles. The major reason why the next gen consoles will probably cost around $450-500 is because of the fact that devs have demanded power from Microsoft and Sony in particular. I am talking Activision, EA, Ubisoft, Crytek, Epic Square Enix and more whom have already shown their next gen engines. I am not even sure the Wii U will make the best out of those engines. Really and truly I don't think they even care. They've always dealt with Nintendo in a secondary fashion. Like Zombie U? Great...wait to see what Ubisoft has planned for the other next gen consoles.

A $500 console is not going to fare well right now. Some people do care aout the graphical capabilities of a console but they care more about their wallets. The main reason why the Wii U is not selling is because of its price and cheaper alternatives. I'm also a bit worried about development costs if we do see a gigantic graphical leap. I know some will argue that it's mostly marketing that is taking up most of the costs, but I do know that publishers sure as hell will not change that. 


The PS3 and 360 are on their last legs and they will have more valuable games walking out of this gen, so yes the core will still value them from a quarterly perspective and the late adopter will as well. Whether its about graphics or not is really and truly up to the eyes of the beholder and realizing its lasting value. Sony and Microsoft know that their next consoles will have an uphill battle when it comes to price because they are following the third parties desires to have more powerful tech to change the way we play and the vastness of the worlds we'll exist in.

Microsoft as far internal game development value needs to bow out desperately and Sony does as well to make sure their marketshare grows (because of course Microsoft wants Sonys marketshare). Their consoles will realistically be around $400 to $500 and yes, there still is a market to buy these products. Remember the consoles serve more than just a gaming purpose but also a multimedia purpose. Lets see what they innovate on this next gen front to not only get the core but the masses to believe.

The problem I have with Microsoft and Sony releasing super powerful consoles is that it will only benefit the big third party developers. Small developers are important too because they can bring new ideas and take risks. What good is it having the power to make a developers "dream game" when the publisher rejects is because it's too risky.



NintendoPie said:
aikohualda said:
hardcore gamers have all consoles...

You could be hardcore for one company though.


It goes both ways.  Nintendo's been around far longer than the other manufacturers on the market, though, so you could say if you're a hardcore Nintendo fan then you're a "true" hardcore gamer. ;)

They've out-lasted Sega, Atari Jaguar, Toshiba, Bandai WonderSwan, Neo Geo, and they're currently going more than toe-to-toe with Sony and Microsoft.  Pretty amazing they've lasted this long.



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Screamapillar said:


It goes both ways.  Nintendo's been around far longer than the other manufacturers on the market, though, so you could say if you're a hardcore Nintendo fan then you're a "true" hardcore gamer. ;)

They've out-lasted Sega, Atari Jaguar, Toshiba, Bandai WonderSwan, Neo Geo, and they're currently going more than toe-to-toe with Sony and Microsoft.  Pretty amazing they've lasted this long.

It is pretty amazing. They just need to pick it up, Sony and Microsoft aren't going to go easier on them.



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kitler53 said:
Metallicube said:

Look at the foolish Bayonetta 2 fans, many of them are probably the same people that knocked Nintendo for not releasing games for them, and catering to the "casuals." So Nintendo publishes a game that caters directly to them, and what do they do? Whine and curse out Nintendo for some stupid reason, (despite the fact that the game would not exist without Nintendo). I will never understand the hardcore..


bolded the keyword.  they publish a game, as in one, uno, less than two. 

hardcore gamers buy a lot of games, like 15 or more a year.  not one a generation, not even just one a year.  so nintendo,.. not really catering to the core.  not when they miss out on GTA, bioshock, crysis 3, dark souls 2, dead space 3, watch dogs, metal gear, south park, and all those other games with a red X just this year...  oh, and let's not forget nintendo leaving out damn obvious OS features like cross game chat and a unified trophy system.

you're being foolish nintendo fan if you think nintedo has put any substance into courting the core.  so yeah, i agree with you... nintendo should go back to courting the casual exclusively.  i think it will still put them on the road to obsurity as that audience is even harder to please and just as likey to dimiss nintendo ...but at least nintendo has a chance.  but you are absolutly right about nintendo lacking the talent to make games or a system the core wants.

but don't try pull any this whiny "oh its everyone else's fault" BS.    the core are very demanding customers and nintendo's "let's the to bare minimum to get by" approach will not work.


It has only been 2 months. If Nintendo wants to win over the core audience it will not happen overnight. Even if Nintendo had all of multiplats comming to the Wii U the core audience would still not be interested. The reason for that is because those games are going to come on a console that they already own, so why would they bother. Sure they have the gamepad that could differentiate it from the other versions, but it's optional and chances are the developer will not utilize it in any remarkable way. Multiplats are rarely tailored to the system that they are released on, its made for the lowest common denominator and ported from there. 




AgentZorn said:
S.T.A.G.E. said:
AgentZorn said:
S.T.A.G.E. said:


The consensus is that the Wii U is on par with current gen consoles. The major reason why the next gen consoles will probably cost around $450-500 is because of the fact that devs have demanded power from Microsoft and Sony in particular. I am talking Activision, EA, Ubisoft, Crytek, Epic Square Enix and more whom have already shown their next gen engines. I am not even sure the Wii U will make the best out of those engines. Really and truly I don't think they even care. They've always dealt with Nintendo in a secondary fashion. Like Zombie U? Great...wait to see what Ubisoft has planned for the other next gen consoles.

A $500 console is not going to fare well right now. Some people do care aout the graphical capabilities of a console but they care more about their wallets. The main reason why the Wii U is not selling is because of its price and cheaper alternatives. I'm also a bit worried about development costs if we do see a gigantic graphical leap. I know some will argue that it's mostly marketing that is taking up most of the costs, but I do know that publishers sure as hell will not change that. 


The PS3 and 360 are on their last legs and they will have more valuable games walking out of this gen, so yes the core will still value them from a quarterly perspective and the late adopter will as well. Whether its about graphics or not is really and truly up to the eyes of the beholder and realizing its lasting value. Sony and Microsoft know that their next consoles will have an uphill battle when it comes to price because they are following the third parties desires to have more powerful tech to change the way we play and the vastness of the worlds we'll exist in.

Microsoft as far internal game development value needs to bow out desperately and Sony does as well to make sure their marketshare grows (because of course Microsoft wants Sonys marketshare). Their consoles will realistically be around $400 to $500 and yes, there still is a market to buy these products. Remember the consoles serve more than just a gaming purpose but also a multimedia purpose. Lets see what they innovate on this next gen front to not only get the core but the masses to believe.

The problem I have with Microsoft and Sony releasing super powerful consoles is that it will only benefit the big third party developers. Small developers are important too because they can bring new ideas and take risks. What good is it having the power to make a developers "dream game" when the publisher rejects is because it's too risky.


Who do you think has been the biggest supporter of smaller devs. It was Microsoft, Sony and Steam because times are changing. Nintendo is now in the party, so lets see if they can hang when the Wii U's real competition arrives with newer specs and attributes to enhance their system from this current gen. I am very excited and worried for the Wii U at the same time.



NintendoPie said:
aikohualda said:
hardcore gamers have all consoles...

You could be hardcore for one company though.

exclusively hardcore XD i dunno being picky is not very hardcore on my dictionary..

definition of hardcore for me... are fat people who stay in their mom's basement and play 95% of game that comes out... ok maybe im kidding...



 

Screamapillar said:
NintendoPie said:
aikohualda said:
hardcore gamers have all consoles...

You could be hardcore for one company though.


It goes both ways.  Nintendo's been around far longer than the other manufacturers on the market, though, so you could say if you're a hardcore Nintendo fan then you're a "true" hardcore gamer. ;)

They've out-lasted Sega, Atari Jaguar, Toshiba, Bandai WonderSwan, Neo Geo, and they're currently going more than toe-to-toe with Sony and Microsoft.  Pretty amazing they've lasted this long.

but recently the definition of hardcore is first person shooter...

i didnt even like medal of honor when i was younger XD



 

Bottom line is people, Nintendo fan, X-Box fan, or otherwise, usually have some sort of bias, and seek to confirm that.

Conversation I had with a coworker-

Him: The Wii sucks. I haven't played my Wii all year.
Me: Why not?
Him: Nintendo doesn't make any games for real gamers.
Me: What kind of games are you looking for?
Him: Shooters, RPGs...
Me: Have you tried Xenoblade or the Last Story?
Him: No.
Me: Why not? They're two of the best RPGs in years.
Him: Because I never play my Wii.
Me: *Shake head and stop talking*.

Overcoming preconceptions is hard, and Nintendo is going to have a challenge there.