Will gamewise get a forum?
| ioi said:
The databases are connected - add a game / release / box art on Gamewise and it will push through. In terms of interconnecting the sites more (pulling more Gamewise stuff through to VGC, showing VGC data on Gamewise etc) - this is all being worked on. Once Gamewise is out of beta and we start promotional activity, the userbase will pass VGChartz pretty quickly - it has a huge general appeal and does what it does better than any other site. VGChartz will still feed off Gamewise and can leverage the huge amount of data it will collect - I don't see what is dumb about any of this personally... |
Apparently a recent user was struggling to add Halo 4 to his collection in the thread you guys locked and was pretty bumbed about it. It didn't have the final boxart either I'd be surprised if gamewise pushed that to vgc since it doesn't consider skus (which it should at least as a child entity or something).
Look, I understand the positives but don't flat out deny the problems.
I hate feeling like the debbie downer, but I contribute a lot here and you should be familiar with me by now I kind of say things as they are. I'm happy to see games like dishonored get attention on gamewise and all, but the small things the users here are asking for are not monstrous and I just don't understand why they are just being shrugged off. I mean if you want us to help on gamewise may as well give us a little incentive.
Imho, vgc and gamewise need to be fully integrated. Recognition there is also marked in the vgc profiles we have so that time spent there adds to our cred here. This may sound superficial but I don't really want to spend time on gamewise if it doesn't give me the badges I want here, that's because I'm a vgchartz guy, through and through. It should be possible to link profiles and work from here gets reflected there and vice versa. It can't be that hard.
But man, I'm not going to insist on it because hey, it's your site, your community. But when I consider something is kinda dumb, that's how I see it and sorry for saying it.
Look, Gamewise looks fantastic, it's cute, it's pretty, all you like. But you're probs not going to get many of us on board by cutting corners in integration of the two sites. You want us there to help, but you're not building the bridge from a community perspective. It doesn't make sense to me personally.
And put back the game collection here, removing it is dumb, now I'm just being frank.
| ioi said: once we are out of beta later this month (and Brainwaves are ready) you won't stop hearing about Gamewise. There are more than 90,000 people now on Gamewise - plenty to fill in and update for anyone who wants to help. |
Does that not also just include a copy paste of all the users from here tho into the Gamewise database? I mean technically you have people with Gamewise accounts if this is the case who don't know the site exists. Kinda like convincing someone to vote Obama based on the argument that many people have voted for him, possibly including the person you are talking to...
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I like gamewise actually i haven't used it a lot yet but i think it goes well with vgchartz I can see myself going there more often once its outta beta.
How can someone as smart as ioi believe that Gamewise will suddenly take off as soon as the beta tag is removed? Its core functionality is there and being ignored in favour of sites that do it better - Google, Wikipedia, here for sales figures, and a few other places.
ioi said:
I still don't really know what people mean by "disconnect vgchartz from the db". VGChartz still has a game database, you can still view any game page and see the top-level information such as developer, publisher, genre, release dates, and the important stuff - the sales data. You can still add sales-related comments and discuss the performance of the title - how has the database been "disconnected"? Gamewise is a new site that has duplicated the VGChartz database and built on top of it. Gamewise has characters, franchises, game credits and detailed pages on a game including plot, levels, tracks, vehicles, weapons etc. Gamewise goes far beyond the amount of information we ever had on VGChartz - it has added, not taken away! Every game page on VGChartz is linked to the Gamewise page to go and find out more general information about the game. It would have never worked trying to combine what we are doing with Gamewise with the old VGChartz system - the database structure was too outdated, the VGChartz brand wouldn't have fit the brand / message that Gamewise is providing and the site would have been a mess trying to combine all of these things (sales, charts, forums, industry info, news, reviews, articles, games, characters, people, franchises, platforms, levels, weapons, items, vehicles, tracks, galleries, user reviews, cheats, achievements, walkthroughs) into one site. VGChartz is about sales and industry stuff, Gamewise is a reference site / social network for general users documenting all aspects of the videogame universe. Two totally different purposes. Gamewise has been built from scratch on a totally new platform that allows us to take user-controlled-content to a whole new level and create complex relationships between gaming entities - it goes far beyond anything we have ever done with VGChartz. Finally, Gamewise is built in a game-base rather than a game-platform-base (or sku base), so has one entry for Black Ops 2 (that covers everything relating to that game) rather than 4-5 for different platforms which is another reason why it wouldn't have worked on top of the existing VGChartz platform. All that has really been lost on the VGChartz is general news / reviews (which now resides on gamrReview) and the ability to create a game collection (which is done far better on Gamewise) - it hasn't been "disconnected from the db"... |
Well then why are you guys not adjusting God of War 3 numbers at one point it was at 5M but it got adjustd down to 4.45m when sony announced that it sold 5.2m WTF!!! why why why!!!
| ioi said:
So we have two different systems, and the user to game following system is different in both cases. Here, you add a certain sku to your collection (even going as far as chosing which regional boxart you want) which was the right idea when we developed it and worked well. On Gamewise, tracking a game is a different thing - if I track Crysis 3 I am joining a group with everyone else tracking that game - regardless of whether I am getting it on PS3, 360 or PC. I am a Crysis 3 fan rather than a PS3 fan. Platforms aren't significant on Gamewise. We are encouraging the game profile image to be a generic box shot of the game like Wikipedia and other wiki sites use instead of a platform-specific version. When you follow a game (or indeed a person, franchise, character etc), you will be notified (via your dashboard feed) when someone edits that entity in some way (i.e adds a new section - Weapons - with a list of available weapons, or adds a new release date etc) and you will also be notified when someone adds a discussion item / article or review relating to that entity. So, as I keep trying to point out, Gamewise and VGChartz are very different things. Gamewise is doing a lot of things that have never been done on a gaming site before but I do believe that it is the future. It will feel less like a traditional gaming website - there won't be the usual news, videos, games and forums sections like every site has copied from IGN / Gamespot (1up, GamePro, Gamesradar, Jeuxvideo, Eurogamer, Videogamer, Nowgamer etc) - we are trying to do something different. One of the many roles of Gamewise will be as a news aggregator (far more effectively than N4G, Digg etc) and on this front we will be partnering with a number of gaming blogs to pull in and syndicate their news. We will also be working with other specialist gaming sites to syndicate their content so the idea of keeping Gamewise and VGChartz linked so that doing stuff on Gamewise adds points on VGChartz just wouldn't work - we don't want Gamewise to be an extension of VGChartz but to be a stand-alone site. |
If the two systems are designed to serve fundamentally different purposes, then why get rid of one? You just said yourself that the Gamewise game tracking system will not work as a collection catalog.
How does developing a new tracking system on a separate website justify getting rid of a different feature with a different purpose on this site?
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ioi said:
We don't have to "get rid" of it here, but it will not be supported any more. |
Since the only way to add games is through the "Add Games" search field in your profile it makes it impossible to add certain games. For example, Donkey Kong for the 3DS. The system is broken because of this.
All it would take to fix is a button on the game page in the VGC database like there used to be.
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Now Playing
Switch - Super Mario Maker 2 (2019)
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Will you be letting us know when Brainwaves launches ioi?
Im quite curious to see it all.
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Could we just delete badges so I can launch my badge thread, these broken features don't look good for the site, makes it look abandoned.