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Jaywood2010 on 26 December 2012
zero129 said:
JayWood2010 said:
zero129 said:
So to be back on topic here.
With the 360 now meant to include Kinect 2, Kinect AR glasses (Maybe more then 1 pair??), 8-16gb ram, 8 Core CPU etc how much can you guys see this system launching for?
Also what are the chances of MS Releasing their next big games multiplat on their own systems? Halo 5 released on Surface, Windows 8 PC, Xbox 8 etc??.


Rumor is 499.  They will also more than likely be uising a subscription plan similar to phone plans for people who dont want to pay 499 up front.

And doubtful that they will launch across all platform.  They may do some games but big games like halo is doubtful

To the bolded i can see that happening as it seems to be the road they are going with testing it out with the 360.

To the underlined. Main reason i said this was cos of how MS seems to want to go for the Apple model of having all their apps/games working on all their devices/OS.

I think they just might see all their '8's' Systems as 1 platform ie Windows 8 for tablets, windows 8 for PC and Xbox 8. But then i can see how they might keep Halo an exclusive on their console and release some of their other games multiplat on all their systems.

Well they already do that anyways.  Like Fable III, Gears, Alan Wake, and a few others they allowed to go to PC after a while They wait until sells are pretty stagnant before doing so though.  Like Forza they always bundle it when it starts to slow down which is usually at 3-4 million. So i think they will continue that strategy but who knows I could be wrong lol

They do seem to want to connect all of their devices but I think certain features will be limited on certain devices.  The NeXbox will be a multmedia center for example so I believe the phone/tablet could work as a tv remote and you can stream videos and smaller games on your phone/tablet.  PC will likely be able to use xbox live but not play retail games on it.  Just my prediction though.




       

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Nem on 26 December 2012
Marks said:
Nem said:

I find it funny how 1.25 CPU is slow and 1.6 is fast. Only in the internet... its those 350Mhz that make the difference!

It might be easier for people to say Nintendo is slow and Microsoft is fast! Its about as obvious that theres no logic to it.


28% difference...not insignificant. Not saying I think that's the difference between fast and slow, but 28% is 28%. 


And what do you gather that translates to in game performance? You think we will have 28% better games on the Xbox?



HoloDust on 26 December 2012

Ah, again clock speeds I see. OK, some comparisons:

estimated WiiU - 1.243125GHz x 3cores x 2.3 IPS/cycle/core = 8578 MIPS

estimated NextBox (with 8 core AMD inside) - 1.6GHz x 8 cores x 3.5 IPS/cycle/core = 44800 MIPS (being bit conservative on IPS/cycle/core)

AMD FX8150 - 3.6GHz x 8cores x 3.78 IPS/cycle/core = 108860 MIPS

Intel i7 3960X - 3.33GHz x 6cores x 8.89 IPS/cycle/core = 177800 MIPS

Of course, it's just one parameter, but it can give some better insight than just clock speeds.



Marks on 27 December 2012
Nem said:
Marks said:
Nem said:

I find it funny how 1.25 CPU is slow and 1.6 is fast. Only in the internet... its those 350Mhz that make the difference!

It might be easier for people to say Nintendo is slow and Microsoft is fast! Its about as obvious that theres no logic to it.


28% difference...not insignificant. Not saying I think that's the difference between fast and slow, but 28% is 28%. 


And what do you gather that translates to in game performance? You think we will have 28% better games on the Xbox?


Well I'm not saying 28% more fun or 28% better...but I guess it means potential for more in games. Key word being potential. 

But I have no idea what technical specs mean, it's all Greek to me. 



CCFanboy on 27 December 2012

I wonder how much emphasis they will put on kinect.



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007BondAgent on 27 December 2012

Price is going to be far to high, if sony releases a cheaper console then microsoft will be in big trouble.



Squilliam on 27 December 2012
HoloDust said:
Ah, again clock speeds I see. OK, some comparisons:

estimated WiiU - 1.243125GHz x 3cores x 2.3 IPS/cycle/core = 8578 MIPS

estimated NextBox (with 8 core AMD inside) - 1.6GHz x 8 cores x 3.5 IPS/cycle/core = 44800 MIPS (being bit conservative on IPS/cycle/core)

AMD FX8150 - 3.6GHz x 8cores x 3.78 IPS/cycle/core = 108860 MIPS

Intel i7 3960X - 3.33GHz x 6cores x 8.89 IPS/cycle/core = 177800 MIPS

Of course, it's just one parameter, but it can give some better insight than just clock speeds.

Thanks, really good information for people who may not know what that means.

MIPS = millions of instructions per second for those who didn't know. It is a measure of how well an architecture 'does stuff' though it isn't directly comparable because some architectures do more per instruction so the total work done may be different to just a direct comparison of the total number of instructions per second.



Tease.

bonkers555 on 27 December 2012

If the Xbox 720 become Kinect focus again then count me out with the next Xbox. So far, no PS4 and maybe no Xbox 720 for me. That's leave me with the WiiU and hopefully the Valve console for next gen. Please don't disappoint me M$!!!



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DirtyP2002 on 27 December 2012
HappySqurriel said:
DirtyP2002 said:
HappySqurriel said:
ZaneWane said:
VGKing said:
Does anyone actually care about Kinect 2? Most people that I know have it never use it.

Another thing: A console can't be in beta can it? Maybe they mean the system's OS is in beta or something?

 

how come kinect keep selling then


Kinect sells well because it is bundled and seems like a good addition to families that have young children, but its software sales are generally pretty weak (I suspect) because it doesn't really deliver the experience people expected ...

I could be wrong but I expect that Kinect 2 will be successful if bundled with the next XBox system, the price of the system doesn't increase beyond people's confort level ($400), and it is not the primary input method for games. If Microsoft produces a $500+ system with Kinect as the primary input device I expect it would be a sales disaster on an unprecidented level.

you are wrong.

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=4346273

Software sales are decent. And these do not include digital releases like Fruit Ninja Kinect, which sold more than 1 million copies back in March.
http://www.joystiq.com/2012/03/05/fruit-ninja-kinect-sells-a-million-units-jetpack-joyride-update/

I find it interesting that people claim the Wii has awful software sales with a tie ratio of over 8, but a tie-ration of 1.92 is decent software sales for Kinect ...

Edit: To put a 1.92 tie-in ratio into perspective, the Wii U currently has a 1.42 unbundled tie-ratio (which is similar to most systems when they are purchased) so half of owners would have to buy another game in order to match the Kinect's "decent" software sales.


where did you get the numbers for the ratio?



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Jaywood2010 on 27 December 2012
DirtyP2002 said:
HappySqurriel said:
DirtyP2002 said:
HappySqurriel said:
ZaneWane said:
VGKing said:
Does anyone actually care about Kinect 2? Most people that I know have it never use it.

Another thing: A console can't be in beta can it? Maybe they mean the system's OS is in beta or something?

 

how come kinect keep selling then


Kinect sells well because it is bundled and seems like a good addition to families that have young children, but its software sales are generally pretty weak (I suspect) because it doesn't really deliver the experience people expected ...

I could be wrong but I expect that Kinect 2 will be successful if bundled with the next XBox system, the price of the system doesn't increase beyond people's confort level ($400), and it is not the primary input method for games. If Microsoft produces a $500+ system with Kinect as the primary input device I expect it would be a sales disaster on an unprecidented level.

you are wrong.

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=4346273

Software sales are decent. And these do not include digital releases like Fruit Ninja Kinect, which sold more than 1 million copies back in March.
http://www.joystiq.com/2012/03/05/fruit-ninja-kinect-sells-a-million-units-jetpack-joyride-update/

I find it interesting that people claim the Wii has awful software sales with a tie ratio of over 8, but a tie-ration of 1.92 is decent software sales for Kinect ...

Edit: To put a 1.92 tie-in ratio into perspective, the Wii U currently has a 1.42 unbundled tie-ratio (which is similar to most systems when they are purchased) so half of owners would have to buy another game in order to match the Kinect's "decent" software sales.


where did you get the numbers for the ratio?


Probly here on vgchartz. the wii has sold over 800 million consoles so divide that by 97m

Im not sure how much kinect games has sold so i wont say if he is correct on that part. im sure someone will take the time to add all of them up

EDIT: He is talking about WiiU.  Sorry