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Grand Theft Auto V on Wii U?

YES PLEASE YES! 172 54.43%
 
It could be kinda cool, I guess.... 57 18.04%
 
I'll buy a Wii U JUST to play this game! 7 2.22%
 
Noooo it could be pretty bad... 10 3.16%
 
The game would suck on the Wii U! 70 22.15%
 
Total:316
F0X on 14 December 2012
happydolphin said:
F0X said:

Realistically, I think everyone should take a chill pill. I doubt we'll know for sure how third-party support will shake out until the end of 2013 at the soonest. Also, I think some people have extremely unrealistic expectations about the porting process. :P

Ok, but in your original post you mentioned petitions as not being effective. Above and beyond the obvious (that petitions are very wishful), what about asking for a game rather than buying it doesn't make sense (or does it, I'm not sure from your post). Also, some people don't have that kind of voting power (to vote with 60$). Companies have an interest in taking the gamble because an IP like GTA will do well on the U regardless. I mean, if it did well on the DS...


Actually I said that petitions are less effective than purchasing similar games (third-party ports). My reasoning is simple. Petitions are merely talk, in which the signees are not guarenteed to actually buy the game they supposedly want to see on WiiU. Contrast with high(er) sales numbers for third-party ports (those Darksiders II numbers make me cry a bit inside as they stand right now), which provides evidence that the market for those types of WiiU games is existant and willing to put their money where their mouth is. Whether or not it makes sense for certain companies to make certain games for Wii U depends on what the company deems to be sensible. What would be a superior means of convincing companies to release Wii U versions of their games, between petitions or sales data?



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o_O.Q on 14 December 2012
Squilliam said:
o_O.Q said:
Squilliam said:
GTA IV was a brutal game on even very strong PC CPUs. Even taking into consideration a lack of effort going into the port I just don't see how GTA V would be a very good fit for the Wii U architecture given the fact that it wasn't engineered with that console in mind. Nintendo didn't need a strong CPU for the kind of games they make but this game does.


what does the wii u lack design wise for a game like this?

It lacks the crazy lopsidedness of the Xbox 360 and PS3 CPUs and it fails to make up for it with general purpose goodness because the CPU is barely out of order and likely an ancient design which is clocked very low. We would not be having this discussion for instance if the Wii U had an AMD APU (bobcat) instead of what it currently has.

what do you mean by lopsidedness? great performance in a certain area?



happydolphin on 14 December 2012
F0X said:
happydolphin said:
F0X said:

Realistically, I think everyone should take a chill pill. I doubt we'll know for sure how third-party support will shake out until the end of 2013 at the soonest. Also, I think some people have extremely unrealistic expectations about the porting process. :P

Ok, but in your original post you mentioned petitions as not being effective. Above and beyond the obvious (that petitions are very wishful), what about asking for a game rather than buying it doesn't make sense (or does it, I'm not sure from your post). Also, some people don't have that kind of voting power (to vote with 60$). Companies have an interest in taking the gamble because an IP like GTA will do well on the U regardless. I mean, if it did well on the DS...


Actually I said that petitions are less effective than purchasing similar games (third-party ports). My reasoning is simple. Petitions are merely talk, in which the signees are not guarenteed to actually buy the game they supposedly want to see on WiiU. Contrast with high(er) sales numbers for third-party ports (those Darksiders II numbers make me cry a bit inside as they stand right now), which provides evidence that the market for those types of WiiU games is existant and willing to put their money where their mouth is. Whether or not it makes sense for certain companies to make certain games for Wii U depends on what the company deems to be sensible. What would be a superior means of convincing companies to release Wii U versions of their games, between petitions or sales data?

I realize that one is more effective that the other, that's a given, but the main issue in your original post is that you put them in competition with each other, when it's and and/or situation, once again.

On vgchartz, I've noticed this happen many times. Of course a purchase says more, but how does that remove the value of the petition? You contrasted them to eclipse the need for a petition, but for someone who doesn't like that game, and is not ready to pay for it, even though you might think his voice is bull, the reasons for him to express him wanting that game on the console has a place and a purpose, which I explained in my first reply to you.

We agree that a sale is more convincing, but it doesn't discredit the value of the petition, and a refusal to buy does not discredit the petition of said user, because he/she may not have the means nor the desire to buy the game, but may have reasons to want that game on the console he supports (for the reasons I mentioned above).



Squilliam on 14 December 2012
o_O.Q said:
Squilliam said:
o_O.Q said:
Squilliam said:
GTA IV was a brutal game on even very strong PC CPUs. Even taking into consideration a lack of effort going into the port I just don't see how GTA V would be a very good fit for the Wii U architecture given the fact that it wasn't engineered with that console in mind. Nintendo didn't need a strong CPU for the kind of games they make but this game does.


what does the wii u lack design wise for a game like this?

It lacks the crazy lopsidedness of the Xbox 360 and PS3 CPUs and it fails to make up for it with general purpose goodness because the CPU is barely out of order and likely an ancient design which is clocked very low. We would not be having this discussion for instance if the Wii U had an AMD APU (bobcat) instead of what it currently has.

what do you mean by lopsidedness? great performance in a certain area?

Yep. The Xbox 360 and PS3 are excellent at vector maths but they absolutely suck at certain types of general purpose code. GTA IV is designed from the ground up to take advantage of these wierd processors so none of the advantages of the Wii U's architecture comes into play and a lot of the weaknesses are exposed.



Tease.

happydolphin on 14 December 2012
Squilliam said:

Yep. The Xbox 360 and PS3 are excellent at vector maths but they absolutely suck at certain types of general purpose code. GTA IV is designed from the ground up to take advantage of these wierd processors so none of the advantages of the Wii U's architecture comes into play and a lot of the weaknesses are exposed.

In a lazy port, that is.

There are other kinds of ports, especially for franchises as big as GTA, like actual platform-tailored ports. Assuming the reasonable (a non-lazy port), your argument crumbles.



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NightDragon83 on 14 December 2012

Don't bother... it'll eventually get ported whenever they get around to releasing the inevitable "GOTY" edition, so they can milk it for all its worth at full price like a year later.



On 2/24/13, MB1025 said:
You know I was always wondering why no one ever used the dollar sign for $ony, but then I realized they have no money so it would be pointless.

Carl on 14 December 2012

Going well so far. Those 66 signatures will make Rockstar notice the WiiU, for sure.



                            

happydolphin on 14 December 2012
Carl2291 said:
Going well so far. Those 66 signatures will make Rockstar notice the WiiU, for sure.

Never despise small beginings.



S.T.A.G.E. on 14 December 2012

GTA on a Nintendo console. I would love to see what Miyamoto thinks of this.



shokenchi on 14 December 2012

meh. gta 4 was overrated. 5 gonna be the same.