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LOL at people out there that actually believe xbox will ever be worth something in Japan. And FACEPALM at people that actually believe MS can buy Sony.



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007BondAgent said:
DirtyP2002 said:
007BondAgent said:
man-bear-pig said:
Turkish said:
man-bear-pig said:
Turkish said:
man-bear-pig said:
Turkish said:
man-bear-pig said:
Turkish said:
Sadly, there is nothing they could do, nothing.


What if they buy Sony and cancel the PS4?


If MS wants to go bankrupt they could buy out Sony just to cancel PS4.


Buying Sony wouldn't make MS go bankrupt. They've got $70bn in cash and make $5bn in profit every quarter...

Anyway, your original statement it wrong because if MS did this they they would beat Sony in Japan.


Sony and its assets are worth more than 70bn


Source?

Microsoft could buy a majority shareholding in Sony for $6bn

http://finance.yahoo.com/q/bs?s=SNE+Balance+Sheet&annual

 

More than $160bn

 

If MS wanna go bankrupt, they should buy out Sony


Lol...Sony is not worth $160bn.

Did he say sony was worth 160bn? no, but sony's assets are, microsoft would go bankrupt just trying to buy sony.


I need to make sure that I ignore you and turkish whenever financial results are released. You guys are waaaay to stupid uninformed for this.

You're sig is gloating sale figures, and to be more specific, it's gloating microsofts sales figures, so anything or anyone who doesn't praise microsoft is stupid or uninformed?

Fanboyism at it's finest.


Nope...having a factual quote in your sig isn't fanboyism. 

Anyway, you are uninformed. Microsoft wouldn't go bankrupt trying to buy Sony. Lol...



Turkish said:

LOL at people out there that actually believe xbox will ever be worth something in Japan. And FACEPALM at people that actually believe MS can buy Sony.


Calm down Turkish. Oh, and FYI, Microsoft COULD buy Sony.



Turkish said:
DirtyP2002 said:
007BondAgent said:
man-bear-pig said:
Turkish said:
man-bear-pig said:
Turkish said:
man-bear-pig said:
Turkish said:
man-bear-pig said:
Turkish said:
Sadly, there is nothing they could do, nothing.


What if they buy Sony and cancel the PS4?


If MS wants to go bankrupt they could buy out Sony just to cancel PS4.


Buying Sony wouldn't make MS go bankrupt. They've got $70bn in cash and make $5bn in profit every quarter...

Anyway, your original statement it wrong because if MS did this they they would beat Sony in Japan.


Sony and its assets are worth more than 70bn


Source?

Microsoft could buy a majority shareholding in Sony for $6bn

http://finance.yahoo.com/q/bs?s=SNE+Balance+Sheet&annual

 

More than $160bn

 

If MS wanna go bankrupt, they should buy out Sony


Lol...Sony is not worth $160bn.

Did he say sony was worth 160bn? no, but sony's assets are, microsoft would go bankrupt just trying to buy sony.


I need to make sure that I ignore you and turkish whenever financial results are released. You guys are waaaay to stupid uninformed for this.


"to stupid", says the guy who can't even spell "too". Do you even know what we're talking about? I'd best stay out of this if I were you.


oh my god a typo on the INTERNET!



Imagine not having GamePass on your console...

man-bear-pig said:
007BondAgent said:
DirtyP2002 said:
007BondAgent said:
man-bear-pig said:
Turkish said:
man-bear-pig said:
Turkish said:
man-bear-pig said:
Turkish said:
man-bear-pig said:
Turkish said:
Sadly, there is nothing they could do, nothing.


What if they buy Sony and cancel the PS4?


If MS wants to go bankrupt they could buy out Sony just to cancel PS4.


Buying Sony wouldn't make MS go bankrupt. They've got $70bn in cash and make $5bn in profit every quarter...

Anyway, your original statement it wrong because if MS did this they they would beat Sony in Japan.


Sony and its assets are worth more than 70bn


Source?

Microsoft could buy a majority shareholding in Sony for $6bn

http://finance.yahoo.com/q/bs?s=SNE+Balance+Sheet&annual

 

More than $160bn

 

If MS wanna go bankrupt, they should buy out Sony


Lol...Sony is not worth $160bn.

Did he say sony was worth 160bn? no, but sony's assets are, microsoft would go bankrupt just trying to buy sony.


I need to make sure that I ignore you and turkish whenever financial results are released. You guys are waaaay to stupid uninformed for this.

You're sig is gloating sale figures, and to be more specific, it's gloating microsofts sales figures, so anything or anyone who doesn't praise microsoft is stupid or uninformed?

Fanboyism at it's finest.


Nope...having a factual quote in your sig isn't fanboyism. 

Anyway, you are uninformed. Microsoft wouldn't go bankrupt trying to buy Sony. Lol...

Not literally lol, but microsoft would lose a huge "HUGE" chunk of it's money buying sony, which is impossible because isn't there a law against american companys buying japanese ones?



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Find Sony's weak points & exploited them , find out what consumer in their home turf dislike about Sony & do the opposite & throw in some incentives to lure them towards your product . But leave the American attitude at home & use a more home-turf mentality , some of it beloved developers to do your talking & hyping but also listen to what they have to say. (JMO)




man-bear-pig said:
Turkish said:
Sadly, there is nothing they could do, nothing.


What if they buy Sony and cancel the PS4?


If MS wants to go bankrupt they could buy out Sony just to cancel PS4.


Buying Sony wouldn't make MS go bankrupt. They've got $70bn in cash and make $5bn in profit every quarter...

Anyway, your original statement it wrong because if MS did this they they would beat Sony in Japan.


Sony and its assets are worth more than 70bn


Source?

Microsoft could buy a majority shareholding in Sony for $6bn

http://finance.yahoo.com/q/bs?s=SNE+Balance+Sheet&annual

 

More than $160bn

 

If MS wanna go bankrupt, they should buy out Sony


....I think you missed the $136,000,000 Billion in liabilities ;)

lol.

You also missed that not all of those "assets" are transferable so aren't valued as part of the company in the context of valuing the company's worth.

So yes, approx $5 Billion, give or take $5 Billion, about right.


Whats your point? If Sony were to be taken over, the liabilities disappear? What?


No.

What's YOUR point. You just said Sony was worth more than 160 Billion dollars. When valuing a company, you deduct the liabilities of the company from it's value.

When buying a company and making an offer, you offer what the company is valued at, it goes without saying that you still have to take on the debt/liability once you have taken over the company.

If that really needs saying then I will not converse with you further on the matter except to say that you learn that kind of thing in the first lesson in business studies.

 Buying a company doesn't make its liabilities disappear, where did you hear that from. Its not just assets-liabilities=lets buy this company lol

Actually it is. That's how Harmonix was sold by MTV for $50, or the old Japanese developer Jaleco, sold for $2.

You are both kinda wrong, the value of a company is loosely its assets minus liabilities, however the price to actually buy it outright is its market value PLUS its liabilities, because as Turkish mentioned the liabilities don't just disappear when you buy a company, they just transfer. An example would be a house, if say my house is worth $350k but I owe $250k on it, you couldn't buy my house for $100k because the bank still expects to get its $250k back. If Sony is worth $6 billion on the share market, if you buy it you take on those liabilities, so the total price to you is still market value plus liabilities. 

MS currently could afford to buy Sony based on market value (ie its share price * number of shares Sony has on the market) but then the problem is if Sony doesn't consent to be taken over MS has to do so in a hostile manner, by buying Sony shares as others sell them, and by doing so slowly accrueing an increasing share in Sony. The problem with a hostile takeover is as MS buys Sony shares the increased demand in Sony shares boosts the share price, costing MS an increasing amount to get, as Sony only has a set amount of shares available. A good example is when Porsche tried to take control of VW, but as they continued to buy VW shares the price kept going up (because you can only buy what people are prepared to sell) and eventually they took on so much debt trying to buy VW that they needed to be rescued (ironically by VW, which is why VW now own Porsche). Thats why hostile takeovers are difficult to do, and require massive amounts of capital (far higher than non-hostile takeovers). MS could probably do it, but its shareholders would be pissed as it would be a massive waste of money and would weaken MS considerably. Much better to wait until Sony is bankrupt and then buy the assets when its liquidatedand its assets are sold to pay off its liabilities  (not saying that will happen) . 

 

Anyway on topic, I don't think MS can do anything to win Japan, they tried buying exclusives this gen and it helped a tiny amount but not enough. Really I don't think they should care though, Japan is not that a big a market as it used to be, and they've shown this gen that you can still be successful without doing well in Japan. 



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Why would Microsoft ever buy Sony? Sony is a loss making company with a diminishing market share, and its facing too much competition from companies like Samsung and LG. It doesn't even have good prospects for the future. I guess it just got too large.
Even if Microsoft only bought the gaming division of Sony, it would still be bad, cause that's division is still making big losses.



    

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Microsoft should buy capcom or square-Enix and or grounding inc aka crimson dragon team and mistwalker