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The Athiest 40 70.18%
 
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KungKras said:
Player1x3 said:
KungKras said:
Player1x3 said:

Well if this doesnt have anything to do with my point, why the fuck did you quote me in the first place?

Their anti theism did have something to do with the numbr of people they killed. I don know what you tried to say there

That's where you are wrong. Just look at how the regimes justified their killings and that sentance just falls apart. Nobody has ever killed in the name of atheism.

Are you illiterate??? I really dont know if its either because of your extreme hypocrisy or just ignorance that you choose not to understand what am i saying. I seriously cant make this more simple than it already is, but I'll try.

Lets take Soviet Union as an example. It was the biggest, strongest dictatorship country with communist and marxist orgins. All founders of Marxism hated religion. Religion was publicly opressed and persecuted in public. Soivet Union was an open atheist state. Now if someone or something opresses and persecutes religion and religious people, we can logically assume that a) he is an anti theist and b) is thus an atheist. You cant be an anti theist if you arent an atheist. And if someone kills in the name of anti-theism, it is again logical to assume,, they killed in them name of extreme atheism. Now, is your superior, free thinker, scientific, logical and reasonable mind able to comprehend these words so far? Lets take some sentences out of the artciles i linked, just in case it isn't.

''The Soviet Union was the first state to have, as an ideological objective, the elimination of religion[1] and its replacement with universal atheism.[2][3] The communist regime confiscated religious property, ridiculed religion, harassed believers, and propagated atheism in schools.[4] The confiscation of religious assets was often based on accusations of illegal accumulation of wealth.''

Marxism–Leninism has consistently advocated the control, suppression, and elimination of religion. Within about a year of the revolution, the state expropriated all church property, including the churches themselves, and in the period from 1922 to 1926, 28 Russian Orthodox bishops and more than 1,200 priests were killed. Many more were persecuted.[6]

And theres waaay more where thhis came from...just if you care enough to do some research?.

The following sentence is very very very important , so please take your time to read it as a slowy and carefully as you can.

HOWEVER,  I AM NOT SAYING THAT ATHEISM, AS A BELIEF, PROMOTES KILLING OR PERSECUTION IN ANY WAY, SHAPE OR FORM !!!!! I WAS MERELY POINTING OUT THE FACT THAT ATHEIST ( AND ANTI THEIST REGIMES) PEOPLE HAVE KILLED RELIGIOUS PEOPLE IN IN THE PAST. I AM NOT TRYING TO SAY THAT ALL ATHEISTS ARE LIKE STALIN,POL POT OR ADOLF HITLER.


Fine, I'll give you those 1200 people and maybe some others who were killed by the soviets desire to eliminate religion.

But then don't EVER menton the total death toll of the Soviet Union and try to pin THAT on atheism again. Use the relevant numbers or you are deliberately misleading people.


Ugh, and you yet again miss the point. I wasn't pointing out how many people atheism killed (atheism AS WELL AS CHRISTIANITY does not promote murder), but how many people have atheist leaders and regimes have killed. And you cant possibly be that naive to think that only 1200 people were killed out of religious reasons, can you now? 



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Alara317 said:
KungKras said:

Fine, I'll give you those 1200 people and maybe some others who were killed by the soviets desire to eliminate religion.

But then don't EVER menton the total death toll of the Soviet Union and try to pin THAT on atheism again. Use the relevant numbers or you are deliberately misleading people.

I've only been here a few weeks and I can already tell Player1x3 or whatever his name is has a raging hateboner for Atheism and will do anything he can to disparge the (lack of) belief as best he can.  I've seen him arguing that being atheist is as bad as or in some cases worse than religious fundamentalism due to needing faith and being extremists, and he often cites 'atheists who killed people' as 'people who killed in the name of atheism.'

He's kind of delusional.  Best to not respond to him. 

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Player1x3 said:
Ugh, and you yet again miss the point. I wasn't pointing out how many people atheism killed (atheism AS WELL AS CHRISTIANITY does not promote murder), but how many people have atheist leaders and regimes have killed. And you cant possibly be that naive to think that only 1200 people were killed out of religious reasons, can you now? 

Yes, because Hitler killed Jews because of atheism. In what world is that a sensible conclusion? Why didn't he kill every single theist then? Why did he persecute the Jewish faith? Why just one?

You might as well be saying "Hitler had a moustache" and then proceed to tell me how many people died from leaders with moustaches. I hope you see how laughably absurd your logic is.



dsgrue3 said:
Player1x3 said:
Ugh, and you yet again miss the point. I wasn't pointing out how many people atheism killed (atheism AS WELL AS CHRISTIANITY does not promote murder), but how many people have atheist leaders and regimes have killed. And you cant possibly be that naive to think that only 1200 people were killed out of religious reasons, can you now? 

Yes, because Hitler killed Jews because of atheism. In what world is that a sensible conclusion? Why didn't he kill every single theist then? Why did he persecute the Jewish faith? Why just one?

You might as well be saying "Hitler had a moustache" and then proceed to tell me how many people died from leaders with moustaches. I hope you see how laughably absurd your logic is.


You're getting desperate. Please just hop off my ass already. I didnt say Hitler killed in the name of atheism. I said, he was an atheist leader who killed millions of people as a response to a guy who said ''you'd never have to fear an atheist ruler'' Well, history proves that statement to be laughable. 

And btw, Hitler might be one of the very few atheist leaders that actually didnt kill in the name of a(theism)nti theism...pretty much everyone else did



Player1x3 said:
You're getting desperate. Please just hop off my ass already. I didnt say Hitler killed in the name of atheism. I said, he was an atheist leader who killed millions of people as a response to a guy who said ''you'd never have to fear an atheist ruler'' Well, history proves that statement to be laughable. 

And btw, Hitler might be one of the very few atheist leaders that actually didnt kill in the name of a(theism)nti theism...pretty much everyone else did


Outlandish claim with no supportive evidence. Not considered, suppositions are exactly that.

Continuing with my analogy, if he had said "you have nothing to fear from a man with a moustache" you'd go ahead and promptly find leaders with moustaches that killed people even though that had nothing to do with why they did it?

Odd position, but carry on...



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dsgrue3 said:
Player1x3 said:
You're getting desperate. Please just hop off my ass already. I didnt say Hitler killed in the name of atheism. I said, he was an atheist leader who killed millions of people as a response to a guy who said ''you'd never have to fear an atheist ruler'' Well, history proves that statement to be laughable. 

And btw, Hitler might be one of the very few atheist leaders that actually didnt kill in the name of a(theism)nti theism...pretty much everyone else did


Outlandish claim with no supportive evidence. Not considered, suppositions are exactly that.

Continuing with my analogy, if he had said "you have nothing to fear from a man with a moustache" you'd go ahead and promptly find leaders with moustaches that killed people even though that had nothing to do with why they did it?

Odd position, but carry on...


What? Most dictators i have listed were communist/marxist and I already posted and explained thier policy on religion before. 

And if the statement i was quoting was ''you have no reason to fear a leader with moustache'' then I would go and find leaders with moustaches who were in fact feared.



Player1x3 said:
dsgrue3 said:
Player1x3 said:
You're getting desperate. Please just hop off my ass already. I didnt say Hitler killed in the name of atheism. I said, he was an atheist leader who killed millions of people as a response to a guy who said ''you'd never have to fear an atheist ruler'' Well, history proves that statement to be laughable. 

And btw, Hitler might be one of the very few atheist leaders that actually didnt kill in the name of a(theism)nti theism...pretty much everyone else did


Outlandish claim with no supportive evidence. Not considered, suppositions are exactly that.

Continuing with my analogy, if he had said "you have nothing to fear from a man with a moustache" you'd go ahead and promptly find leaders with moustaches that killed people even though that had nothing to do with why they did it?

Odd position, but carry on...


What? Most dictators i have listed were communist/marxist and I already posted and explained thier policy on religion before. 

And if the statement i was quoting was ''you have no reason to fear a leader with moustache'' then I would go and find leaders with moustaches who were in fact feared.

Now that I understand your position, I absolutely agree with you. High five.



Player1x3 said:
dsgrue3 said:
Player1x3 said:
Ugh, and you yet again miss the point. I wasn't pointing out how many people atheism killed (atheism AS WELL AS CHRISTIANITY does not promote murder), but how many people have atheist leaders and regimes have killed. And you cant possibly be that naive to think that only 1200 people were killed out of religious reasons, can you now? 

Yes, because Hitler killed Jews because of atheism. In what world is that a sensible conclusion? Why didn't he kill every single theist then? Why did he persecute the Jewish faith? Why just one?

You might as well be saying "Hitler had a moustache" and then proceed to tell me how many people died from leaders with moustaches. I hope you see how laughably absurd your logic is.


You're getting desperate. Please just hop off my ass already. I didnt say Hitler killed in the name of atheism. I said, he was an atheist leader who killed millions of people as a response to a guy who said ''you'd never have to fear an atheist ruler'' Well, history proves that statement to be laughable. 

And btw, Hitler might be one of the very few atheist leaders that actually didnt kill in the name of a(theism)nti theism...pretty much everyone else did

Except that wasn't the original statment at all. The original statement was that atheists don't kill one another over religious differences. If you want to debate that, go ahead, that would be fun.

Also, there is no logical pathway from atheism that leads to killing people, but there is a logical pathway from religion (IE God told me to kill these people).



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KungKras said:
Player1x3 said:
dsgrue3 said:
Player1x3 said:
Ugh, and you yet again miss the point. I wasn't pointing out how many people atheism killed (atheism AS WELL AS CHRISTIANITY does not promote murder), but how many people have atheist leaders and regimes have killed. And you cant possibly be that naive to think that only 1200 people were killed out of religious reasons, can you now? 

Yes, because Hitler killed Jews because of atheism. In what world is that a sensible conclusion? Why didn't he kill every single theist then? Why did he persecute the Jewish faith? Why just one?

You might as well be saying "Hitler had a moustache" and then proceed to tell me how many people died from leaders with moustaches. I hope you see how laughably absurd your logic is.


You're getting desperate. Please just hop off my ass already. I didnt say Hitler killed in the name of atheism. I said, he was an atheist leader who killed millions of people as a response to a guy who said ''you'd never have to fear an atheist ruler'' Well, history proves that statement to be laughable. 

And btw, Hitler might be one of the very few atheist leaders that actually didnt kill in the name of a(theism)nti theism...pretty much everyone else did

Except that wasn't the original statment at all. The original statement was that atheists don't kill one another over religious differences. If you want to debate that, go ahead, that would be fun.

Also, there is no logical pathway from atheism that leads to killing people, but there is a logical pathway from religion (IE God told me to kill these people).

The original statement was (the one i was quoting) was the you shouldnt fear atheists because they dont kill people. And i proved that they do kill, especially over religious differences. I mean Hitler killed people because they were Jews, Stalin and the others killed them for not being atheists/being theists. And I dont want to debate something that is already widely accepted in historic community. 



Player1x3 said:
KungKras said:
Player1x3 said:
dsgrue3 said:
Player1x3 said:
Ugh, and you yet again miss the point. I wasn't pointing out how many people atheism killed (atheism AS WELL AS CHRISTIANITY does not promote murder), but how many people have atheist leaders and regimes have killed. And you cant possibly be that naive to think that only 1200 people were killed out of religious reasons, can you now? 

Yes, because Hitler killed Jews because of atheism. In what world is that a sensible conclusion? Why didn't he kill every single theist then? Why did he persecute the Jewish faith? Why just one?

You might as well be saying "Hitler had a moustache" and then proceed to tell me how many people died from leaders with moustaches. I hope you see how laughably absurd your logic is.


You're getting desperate. Please just hop off my ass already. I didnt say Hitler killed in the name of atheism. I said, he was an atheist leader who killed millions of people as a response to a guy who said ''you'd never have to fear an atheist ruler'' Well, history proves that statement to be laughable. 

And btw, Hitler might be one of the very few atheist leaders that actually didnt kill in the name of a(theism)nti theism...pretty much everyone else did

Except that wasn't the original statment at all. The original statement was that atheists don't kill one another over religious differences. If you want to debate that, go ahead, that would be fun.

Also, there is no logical pathway from atheism that leads to killing people, but there is a logical pathway from religion (IE God told me to kill these people).

The original statement was (the one i was quoting) was the you shouldnt fear atheists because they dont kill people. And i proved that they do kill, especially over religious differences. I mean Hitler killed people because they were Jews, Stalin and the others killed them for not being atheists/being theists. And I dont want to debate something that is already widely accepted in historic community. 

Oh, your statement came right after the funny picture then.

Anyways, here is the statement you took out of context "there's no need to feel threatened by an atheist.   There are still 7 countries where the state can excecute citizens for being an atheist."

What he means is that if you know nothing about a person except that he is atheist, would you feel as threathened as if he belonged to a religion whose holy book gave permission to enslave or kill you?



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