Player1x3 said:
kanageddaamen said:
Player1x3 said:
Everyone who was close to Hitler said that he was an atheist. In the public he presented himself as a christian to turn th people agaisnt the Jews. Example from his own book:
To whom should propaganda be addressed? … It must be addressed always and exclusively to the masses… The function of propaganda does not lie in the scientific training of the individual, but in calling the masses' attention to certain facts, processes, necessities, etc., whose significance is thus for the first time placed within their field of vision. The whole art consists in doing this so skilfully that everyone will be convinced that the fact is real, the process necessary, the necessity correct, etc. But since propaganda is not and cannot be the necessity in itself … its effect for the most part must be aimed at the emotions and only to a very limited degree at the so-called intellect… it's soundness is to be measured exclusively by its effective result". (Main Kampf, Vol 1, Ch 6 and Ch 12)
The book Hitler's Secret Conversations 1941-1944 published by Farrar, Straus and Young, Inc.first edition, 1953, contains definitive proof of Hitler's real views. The book was published in Britain under the title, _Hitler's Table Talk 1941-1944, which title was used for the Oxford University Press paperback edition in the United States.
All of these are quotes from Adolf Hitler:
Night of 11th-12th July, 1941:
National Socialism and religion cannot exist together.... The heaviest blow that ever struck humanity was the coming of Christianity. Bolshevism is Christianity's illegitimate child. Both are inventions of the Jew. The deliberate lie in the matter of religion was introduced into the world by Christianity.... Let it not be said that Christianity brought man the life of the soul, for that evolution was in the natural order of things. (p 6 & 7)
10th October, 1941, midday:
Christianity is a rebellion against natural law, a protest against nature. Taken to its logical extreme, Christianity would mean the systematic cultivation of the human failure. (p 43)
14th October, 1941, midday:
The best thing is to let Christianity die a natural death.... When understanding of the universe has become widespread... Christian doctrine will be convicted of absurdity.... Christianity has reached the peak of absurdity.... And that's why someday its structure will collapse.... ...the only way to get rid of Christianity is to allow it to die little by little.... Christianity the liar.... We'll see to it that the Churches cannot spread abroad teachings in conflict with the interests of the State. (p 49-52)
...and theres waay more where this came from. Just tell me if you want more quotes and the links
Hitler had the biggest respect for muslim and tradition japanese religions. He also said that it is unfortunate, that the german religion is the Christian one.
The HIGHEST tool for the deaths in Crusades in around 3 million (source:wikipedia) and I used 1.5-2 million mark to be fair. I have no idea what kind of crap Dawkins made you believe.
And you should know this argument very well, because apparently, Middle Age Catholic church represents whole Christianity and every Christian person today...oh wait, double standards are atheist exclusive, right?
And LOL at '' entirely irrelevant''. Communism is a political belief that is agaisnt religion and promotes anti-theism (which is an extreme form of atheism). Are you going to convince me that people were able to follow their religion freely and worship whatever they want in any of those countries led by those people. Sure, they didnt kill people for being ahtiests, but they did for being theists. Thats like saying ''KKK didnt lynch people for being black, they lynched them for not being white !''
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None of the quotes you provide show any rejection of a god whatsoever, they just illustrate his disdain for power structures (in this case churches) that may conflict with his own dominance. Rejection of the Christian church is not a rejection of the belief in god, or even in all of Christian beliefs. There is no rejection of Jesus as a messiah in there at all.
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Iprovided evidence that prove that he despised Christianity...and its pretty obvious that he hated the Jews too.He was also a believe of ''survival of the fittest'' thoery and believed in natural law.
10th October, 1941, midday:
Christianity is a rebellion against natural law, a protest against nature. Taken to its logical extreme, Christianity would mean the systematic cultivation of the human failure. (p 43)
We can assume that in his mind, this can be applied to every religion , and that he hated religion in general
As for rejection of Christ:
The following points are from Bede's Library an article called "Hitler and Christianity by an agnostic and an amateur historian of 20th Century German history, Edward Bartlett-Jones.
A Hitler Youth marching song (Grunberger, A Social History) illustrates it:
We follow not Christ, but Horst Wessel, Away with incense and Holy Water, The Church can go hang for all we care, The Swastika brings salvation on Earth.
(Horst Wessel was an early Nazi party Sturmabteilung street-fighter murdered by communists and turned into a martyr by propaganda chief Josef Goebbels.)
And while I havent given an ultimate proof that he doesnt believe in God, I ve given a pretty strong evidence that is not a christian and is very likely that he was a non-believer.
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