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Player1x3 on 13 December 2012
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SlayerRondo said:
Player1x3 said:
beatles1082 said:
Dr.Grass said:
beatles1082 said:

 


This is the STUPIDEST. Argument in existence. My blood boils when I hear atheists spewing this utter crap. You're just jumping on the exact same bandwagon you're supposedly decrying.


You're just too stupid to see it.

 there's no need to feel threatened by an atheist.   There are still 7 countries where the state can excecute citizens for being an atheist.
  • Mao-Tse-Tung, Atheist: 40 million plus dead
  • Joseph Stalin, Atheist: 20 million plus dead
  • Adolf Hitler, Atheist: 15 million dead
  • Vladimir Lenin, Atheist: 5.5 million dead
  • Kim-Il-Sung, Atheist: 5 million dead
  • Pol Pot, Atheist: 2 million dead
  • Fidel Castro, Atheist: 1 million dead

          (all in time span of max 70 years)
Vs.

  • Catholic Inqusition: (time span: 500+ years) 20-30.000 dead
  • The Crusades :  (time span:200+ years) 1.5-2 million dead

Atheist dictators killed millions of people over the past century, and caused more death in a much shorter time span than almost any other catastrophe that has happened in the civilized world, and imprisoned  or murdered hundreds of thousands in an effort to eradicate religion itself, because, you know, mass murder is the inevitable result when a community becomes too intolerant of outlandish dogmas and too fond of critical thinking. Oh the irony!


Youre argument is fundamentaly flawed in its comparison of some of the worst tragedies commited by athiest (noting hitler was a roman catholic) to those commited in the name of christianity. 

I already disputed this non sense multiple times by now

The reason I say that it is flawed is that athiesm is just people not believing in the existence of a god and does not provide as religion does divine instructions on what an individual must do or can do in the name of that particular religion. 

Oh no, that wasnt my point. I believe neither Atheism or Christianity are in favour of murder. My point was, that the killing arguments can be both applied to christian and atheist authority during history. I was just replying to ''you shouldnt ever fear an atheist killing and starting wars'' comment. I dont think either beliefe, atheism or christianity are responsible for murders. Its the followers, not the ideology.

At best the argument can be made that thoose mass murders did the things they did partly to rid the world of religion. But all of them (bar hitler who was only killing jews because they were his scapegoat) tried to rid the world of religion because they percieved it as a threat to their authority. The obvious reason that they saw it as a threat was that it was so similar to their own power structures that demanded complete unquestioning authority.

And The Holy See saw Arab Empires and Muslims to be the treat of their authority...so whats the difference again?

And lets not forget Hirohito the emperor of Japan who did not only believe in god but rather believed himself to be a god who did terrible things and commended people to do terrible things. 

I agree, but i hardly see what this has to do with the topic

Just because someone kills people to spread an ideal does not mean that that ideal is wrong or leads people to evil but rather reflects on the people who choose to adopt such inhumane tactics to spread such ideals. For examplemany people were killed in the was for independance as well but does that mean that the idea of American independance was wrong?

I agree completly. But then again, why do i always hear this argument coming up only when atheism is put in bad light?

Religion on the other hand gives people instructions of what to believe and what to do that cannot be questioned as they are the divine word of the lord and to do so would be blasphemy. Sure there are thoose who do not believe everything there bible says but to them I say if you think part of it is wrong why dont you believe all of it could be wrong? 

Divine word of the Lord is also ''Do not kill'' and Love thy neighbour and many many more...so the only way this can translate into killin people is by wrong interpretations and fundamentalism

What you're argument fails to do is prove causation rather than correlation since the actions of thoose people on your list are clearly done in the name of maniacal dictators (which they most certainly were)

...and same can be said about crusades

I dont believe that christinas who do things they were not told to do in the bible should be used as examples of why christianity is bad. But thoose who use arguments put forth by their religious text or the commands of their religious leaders will damm well be used to show why religions are a dangerous force in the world today.