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S.T.A.G.E. on 11 December 2012
thranx said:
S.T.A.G.E. said:
thranx said:
S.T.A.G.E. said:

Cross chat is a hardware and software issue. The PS3 cannot handle it because of their hardware, therefore, their online is already pretty dead on equal already. The PS4 they will have it on par so it really doesnt need to even be talked about. Third of all, Sony and Valve will most likely be working on continuing cross platform and any valve titles that were exclusive to the Xbox 360 will no longer maintain that level of exclusivity from the PS4. Left 4 Dead 3 PS4, just wait. Microsoft doesnt want to open themselves up to cross platforming, so they will be behind if they dont change their ways and Sony will be ahead is some respects.


i dont think that is true. what part of ps3 can not handle cross game chat? I think it may atually be a patent of somekind that MS holds for home consoles but not for portables.or it may be due to the fact the every game on the 360 has to be tied in and intregrated with xbox live. not sure that is the same on ps3. with different games perhaps using different techniques for voice chat it may make it harder to do cross game chat (something that they obviously fixed in the vita). But i dont see how it would be a hardware problem.


Microsoft does not hold that patent, the Vita has it. Sony admitted it is a memory issue. The Vita has more ram than the PS3 which is why it can handle it. Cross chat is something PC gamers use all the time, so no it is not patented and can be used by anyone at will. Xbox Live is basically just a closed PC gaming replica that Microsoft makes you pay for. Sony is proving that you can have all that and really shouldnt have to pay.

http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/2011-08-19-why-the-ps3-cant-do-cross-game-voice-chat

like i said i am not 100% sure. pc gamers dont use cross game chat, they use a third program that connects them regardless of a game. slightly different as its a seperate sytem from the game and not intrigrated. Unless steam has added it recently most people i know use skype or something similar.  Upon further reading though it looks like the ram is an issue, but I think the real issue is the lack of the PSN to require that all games use their way of doing things, like ms forces devs to do with the xbox live. once a game takes it resources its no longer linked to the os and internet in the same way live is a tied in unified sytem. so  the ram is more of a scapegoat as it is strong enough, but wasn't designed from the begining software wise like live was. So your point stands


Its third party because its an open system on PC. On a closed console it needs to be a first party source that implements it into the hardware. Most PC gamers use Team Speak or Skype or talk in game on steam, because your hardware can already handle it (unless your PC really sucks). The ram of the PS3 is sucked up by the games, which is a mistake of the PS3's development. As you said, Sony wasnt thinking of cross chat as a feature. 



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S.T.A.G.E. on 11 December 2012
gergroy said:
Eh? Cross game chat is the only reason xbox has sold 15 million more consoles than the ps3 in the us? Really? That really does not make sense... At alll...

Cross game chat is certainly a nice feature, but I would never call it system selling. At most, I would say it might convince people that own both an xbox and a ps3 to buy the game on the xbox if they subscribe to gold.

Cross game chat is going to be the last feature people will be looking for next gen. People are going to be looking at what the consoles do that is new, and innovative...

Kinect, COD, Halo and Gears....that is all.



S.T.A.G.E. on 11 December 2012
sales2099 said:
S.T.A.G.E. said:

Cross chat is a hardware and software issue. The PS3 cannot handle it because of their hardware, therefore, their online is already pretty dead on equal already. The PS4 they will have it on par so it really doesnt need to even be talked about. Third of all, Sony and Valve will most likely be working on continuing cross platform and any valve titles that were exclusive to the Xbox 360 will no longer maintain that level of exclusivity from the PS4. Left 4 Dead 3 PS4, just wait. Microsoft doesnt want to open themselves up to cross platforming, so they will be behind if they dont change their ways and Sony will be ahead is some respects.

Cross platforming has allready proven to be a dead end. MS tried it with some titles like Lost Planet Colonies, Shadowrun, Universe at War, etc.  The PC gamers have an unfair advantage.

Sony and Valve changed that with Portal 2. Gabe Newell has been trying to get through to Microsoft but they seem ignorant to his cause.



sales2099 on 11 December 2012
S.T.A.G.E. said:
sales2099 said:
S.T.A.G.E. said:

Cross chat is a hardware and software issue. The PS3 cannot handle it because of their hardware, therefore, their online is already pretty dead on equal already. The PS4 they will have it on par so it really doesnt need to even be talked about. Third of all, Sony and Valve will most likely be working on continuing cross platform and any valve titles that were exclusive to the Xbox 360 will no longer maintain that level of exclusivity from the PS4. Left 4 Dead 3 PS4, just wait. Microsoft doesnt want to open themselves up to cross platforming, so they will be behind if they dont change their ways and Sony will be ahead is some respects.

Cross platforming has allready proven to be a dead end. MS tried it with some titles like Lost Planet Colonies, Shadowrun, Universe at War, etc.  The PC gamers have an unfair advantage.

Sony and Valve changed that with Portal 2. Gabe Newell has been trying to get through to Microsoft but they seem ignorant to his cause.

I listed 3 games with 360 that were cross platform. Keep going. Portal 2 is one game.

BTW, Portal 2 isnt exactly a "competitive" online game. When they get a cross platform FPS, they will get exactly the same problems that MS had in 2007.Its like Sony is literally 5 years behind MS in this department.



Xbox: Best hardware, Game Pass best value, best BC, more 1st party genres and multiplayer titles. 

 

green_sky on 11 December 2012
Veknoid_Outcast said:

I don't think that will push Sony over the top, but more importantly: why is cross-game chat so coveted?

Being able to communicate with friends and teammates playing the SAME game makes perfect sense. But why is it so important that I can chat with my friend while I play Halo 3 and he plays Crackdown? Shouldn't we be immersed in our games?

If it's just about a free way to chat with friends over long distances, there's always Skype.

Because that is the only way young people talk these days imo. I barely get a call from anyone under 25 and i barely get a text from anyone over 30. Honestly i am not sure either. Playing Team Ico games or Bioshock i wouldn't want to talk to someone playing COD or Battlefield. 

OT: That is not going to help them get ahead. It is just one feature. 



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superchunk on 11 December 2012

"The only reason xbox360 is handedly outselling PS3 in the US is cross game chat."

That's where I stopped reading as that is no where near the main feature that has kept 360 ahead of PS3 in US. Absolutely mind boggling that you'd think that is the most important feature on US players minds. I've NEVER heard anyone outside of this site talk about cross game chat as being greatly important and all of my friends own 360s. I was actually the only one with a PS3. (they all had Wiis too and now bought WiiUs)



S.T.A.G.E. on 11 December 2012
kowenicki said:
S.T.A.G.E. said:
sales2099 said:
S.T.A.G.E. said:

Cross chat is a hardware and software issue. The PS3 cannot handle it because of their hardware, therefore, their online is already pretty dead on equal already. The PS4 they will have it on par so it really doesnt need to even be talked about. Third of all, Sony and Valve will most likely be working on continuing cross platform and any valve titles that were exclusive to the Xbox 360 will no longer maintain that level of exclusivity from the PS4. Left 4 Dead 3 PS4, just wait. Microsoft doesnt want to open themselves up to cross platforming, so they will be behind if they dont change their ways and Sony will be ahead is some respects.

Cross platforming has allready proven to be a dead end. MS tried it with some titles like Lost Planet Colonies, Shadowrun, Universe at War, etc.  The PC gamers have an unfair advantage.

Sony and Valve changed that with Portal 2. Gabe Newell has been trying to get through to Microsoft but they seem ignorant to his cause.

what else?


Its called a new beginning. Before that Gabe Newell was talking a lot of crap about the PS3.

Watch, incase you missed gabes announcement at E3 last year.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q8eRjw-xogQ

Because of Sonys acceptance of the reality that online as a service needs to expand beyond a closed community, the PS3 (but more so the PS4) will excell.



sales2099 on 11 December 2012
S.T.A.G.E. said:
kowenicki said:
S.T.A.G.E. said:
sales2099 said:
S.T.A.G.E. said:

Cross chat is a hardware and software issue. The PS3 cannot handle it because of their hardware, therefore, their online is already pretty dead on equal already. The PS4 they will have it on par so it really doesnt need to even be talked about. Third of all, Sony and Valve will most likely be working on continuing cross platform and any valve titles that were exclusive to the Xbox 360 will no longer maintain that level of exclusivity from the PS4. Left 4 Dead 3 PS4, just wait. Microsoft doesnt want to open themselves up to cross platforming, so they will be behind if they dont change their ways and Sony will be ahead is some respects.

Cross platforming has allready proven to be a dead end. MS tried it with some titles like Lost Planet Colonies, Shadowrun, Universe at War, etc.  The PC gamers have an unfair advantage.

Sony and Valve changed that with Portal 2. Gabe Newell has been trying to get through to Microsoft but they seem ignorant to his cause.

what else?


Its called a new beginning. Before that Gabe Newell was talking a lot of crap about the PS3.

Watch, incase you missed gabes announcement at E3 last year.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q8eRjw-xogQ

But MS allready tried and PC gamers simply had a unfair advantage. The moment PS3 gets a cross platform competitive game, the exact same thing will happen. PS gamers will be frustrated and the hype will die down....just like in 2008.

This new beginning is a rehash of a 5 year old dead end. And this still doesnt make up for Left 4 Dead 1 and 2 not being on PS3 and Orange Box being a mess comapred to the 360 version.



Xbox: Best hardware, Game Pass best value, best BC, more 1st party genres and multiplayer titles. 

 

S.T.A.G.E. on 11 December 2012
sales2099 said:
S.T.A.G.E. said:
kowenicki said:
S.T.A.G.E. said:
sales2099 said:
S.T.A.G.E. said:

Cross chat is a hardware and software issue. The PS3 cannot handle it because of their hardware, therefore, their online is already pretty dead on equal already. The PS4 they will have it on par so it really doesnt need to even be talked about. Third of all, Sony and Valve will most likely be working on continuing cross platform and any valve titles that were exclusive to the Xbox 360 will no longer maintain that level of exclusivity from the PS4. Left 4 Dead 3 PS4, just wait. Microsoft doesnt want to open themselves up to cross platforming, so they will be behind if they dont change their ways and Sony will be ahead is some respects.

Cross platforming has allready proven to be a dead end. MS tried it with some titles like Lost Planet Colonies, Shadowrun, Universe at War, etc.  The PC gamers have an unfair advantage.

Sony and Valve changed that with Portal 2. Gabe Newell has been trying to get through to Microsoft but they seem ignorant to his cause.

what else?


Its called a new beginning. Before that Gabe Newell was talking a lot of crap about the PS3.

Watch, incase you missed gabes announcement at E3 last year.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q8eRjw-xogQ

But MS allready tried and PC gamers simply had a unfair advantage. The moment PS3 gets a cross platform competitive game, the exact same thing will happen. PS gamers will be frustrated and the hype will die down....just like in 2008.

This new beginning is a rehash of a 5 year old dead end. And this still doesnt make up for Left 4 Dead 1 and 2 not being on PS3 and Orange Box being a mess comapred to the 360 version.


Well...they never tried with Valve. If a company like Valve is willing to work with you, stop being a bitch and accept a future prospect which could enhance the gaming experience or stay closed. Staying closed is smart because it keeps the illusion of premium value, but hey thats what I've gathered from the closed community.



J_Allard on 11 December 2012

It's not only about having the feature, it's about matching the quality and usability of the feature. For example it took PSN a long time to finally get the ability to join a session in progress but it's a hit or miss ability that isn't supported in all games and even when it is, it's not nearly as reliable as on XBL. Party chat on Vita is the same. It's a lot slower to set up than XBL and doesn't work as well, especially voice quality. But it's a handheld. Nice for people to have though. We'll see if PS4 has it and if it's up to snuff.