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DanneSandin on 11 December 2012
JayWood2010 said:
DanneSandin said:
ishiki said:
DanneSandin said:
ishiki said:
DanneSandin said:

I have a hard time picturing this PConsole being successful... When you game on your PC its with the mouse and keyboard, and I would imagine that few livingroom tables are high enough to allow for that set up. Many families already has a PC, which they use to do homework and work on, sharing it. It would be a really niche market that would buy a PConsole. And Valve don't have the kind of 1st party games that pushes a system. I guess it'll sell like... 10m-20m units, but probably closer to 10 going by what little we know now.


I play Dark Soul's, Batman etc with gamepad just fine with better graphics on PC. Annnd I can remap buttons in every game I use it for, if the developer chooses a bad scheme.

I agree it will be niche. But valves big cash cow isn't going to be this console imo. It's going to be steam. Take away say 5 million console players. Add 5 million of people that already own another console, but not a PC. 

You already have an existing userbase of 50 million, just adding that you increase it by 20%. There's logistic issues than consoles. But the way I see it, is that it's an entry point into the gaming PC market for people otherwise intimidated.

Yeah, but there's a lot of games that can't be played using ordinary gamepads. How you gonna play Total War or Civilization? It'll suck monkey balls.

All games that come from consoles have controller support now, Even games that were initally PC exclusive (Witcher) have gamepad support. So the argument that you can't use gamepads on PC's. Obviously there's exclusives on consoles PC don't get.

However there are some games that just aren't viable to be played without a mouse and keyboard. And then you can play with a mouse and keyboard. But if you don't like Mouse and Keyboard which was your argument. You won't like games like civilization or total war anyways because it is not viable to be played without it.

There's obvious advantages over  a game console for this. But if done correctly it can be a viable alternative to consoles in the living room without learning how to make a HTPC that can play games.

I think you missunderstood me. I PLAY Total War and Civilization, but it wouldn't be doable on my TV since my livingroom table/my couch table/coffe table is way to low for me to have my mouse and keyboard on it while playing these games. And that's why I think the steambox while only cater to a none-strategic-playing niche. A plain old PC is better suited for these kind of games.


DanneSandin does make a point, unless all games are adpted to controllers including games like this.  Then it would come down to preference.  Does Civ have controller support?  I dont play those games so Idk

I don't think they support a controller, but they could I guess... But Total War and Europa Univeralis is MEANT to be played with a mouse :D



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JEMC on 11 December 2012
MARCUSDJACKSON said:
valves console/PS needs to pack the power of a PC or PC gamers will look away, and thier console will fail as a result.

and yes i'm sure 4 consoles can surevive, as can five. they just need dedicated fans. i'll likely get all but nextbox.

my purchase of Ouya, is dependent on wether i can dev. on the system or not.

Erm, how can you say that when you also said this?

MARCUSDJACKSON said:

according to this link, valves console is a PC with little flex ability, so it's not ideal for dev. in the console market. http://www.gamrreview.com/news/89562/valve-confirms-its-making-a-home-console/

and i think valves console will likely be priced around $149-$249. $149 is wht valve should be aming for. neither platform is comp. let alone serious comp. for the big 3.

It either packs the power of a PC or costs $149-$249, achieving both things is almost impossible (unless Valve goes crazy and loses more money than Sony did with the PS3).

Nope, if they are serious, the minimum specs would include a quad core paired with an HD7870 or GTX660Ti and 4 or 8 GB of RAM for not more than $400. Lower specs than that and most of the Steam users won't bother buying it.



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think-man on 11 December 2012

Well 4 consoles on the market will be to hectic, with 360 already having taking a large bite out of sonys fanbase imagine a 4th console coming onto the market taking another bite, but this time it will take some of 360 and ps3's fanbase.



 

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MARCUSDJACKSON on 11 December 2012
JEMC said:
MARCUSDJACKSON said:
valves console/PS needs to pack the power of a PC or PC gamers will look away, and thier console will fail as a result.

and yes i'm sure 4 consoles can surevive, as can five. they just need dedicated fans. i'll likely get all but nextbox.

my purchase of Ouya, is dependent on wether i can dev. on the system or not.

Erm, how can you say that when you also said this?

MARCUSDJACKSON said:

according to this link, valves console is a PC with little flex ability, so it's not ideal for dev. in the console market. http://www.gamrreview.com/news/89562/valve-confirms-its-making-a-home-console/

and i think valves console will likely be priced around $149-$249. $149 is wht valve should be aming for. neither platform is comp. let alone serious comp. for the big 3.

It either packs the power of a PC or costs $149-$249, achieving both things is almost impossible (unless Valve goes crazy and loses more money than Sony did with the PS3).

Nope, if they are serious, the minimum specs would include a quad core paired with an HD7870 or GTX660Ti and 4 or 8 GB of RAM for not more than $400. Lower specs than that and most of the Steam users won't bother buying it. i know nothing about this kind of stuff. don't bother explaining, as i'd still not understand lol.

2 different post, based on to different timed sources of info. if i'd have had the info in the second post. i'd have likely not made the first in its current form.



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Gamerace on 11 December 2012
JayWood2010 said:
hunter_alien said:
Yes... if they can all deliver high quality content at a reasonable price. The idea of a console is outdated anyways. We have soooo many healthy game ecosystems already: PlayStation, Xbox, Nintendo, Steam, iOS, Android, Facebook... and the list goes on


I wouldn't consider IOS, Android, Facebook consoles.  I see a lot of people talking about that kind of stuff on this website but lets face it, you don't buy IOS or Android products for gaming.  They're in the mobile market not the console market.  Just because they have games does not mean they're competing.  


While tablets are primarily used for games (66% of all use according to studies) you are correct that people aren't buying them as a gaming device, per se.  However, considering the volume of tablets sold and 66% of their useage is gaming - that's a massive competitor in the gaming field.

Moreover with Ouya, Wikipad, Archos and the like all coming onto the market, all those will be dedicated (or primary) gaming devices with a ton of dedicated content.  Even major console publishers are developing for these systems. They will likely appeal more to lower end/casual or portable consumers, but that's still marketshare lost to the traditional 3.   Probably mostly to Nintendo and MS.

We still know too little about Valves plans to guage any impact. 

Also, with Smart TVs now becoming the norm, cloud gaming could make major inroads as well.   This next gen will look nothing like previous gens.  The market has expanded and diversified to a level we've not seen before.



 

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Jaywood2010 on 11 December 2012
Gamerace said:
JayWood2010 said:
hunter_alien said:
Yes... if they can all deliver high quality content at a reasonable price. The idea of a console is outdated anyways. We have soooo many healthy game ecosystems already: PlayStation, Xbox, Nintendo, Steam, iOS, Android, Facebook... and the list goes on


I wouldn't consider IOS, Android, Facebook consoles.  I see a lot of people talking about that kind of stuff on this website but lets face it, you don't buy IOS or Android products for gaming.  They're in the mobile market not the console market.  Just because they have games does not mean they're competing.  


While tablets are primarily used for games (66% of all use according to studies) you are correct that people aren't buying them as a gaming device, per se.  However, considering the volume of tablets sold and 66% of their useage is gaming - that's a massive competitor in the gaming field.

Moreover with Ouya, Wikipad, Archos and the like all coming onto the market, all those will be dedicated (or primary) gaming devices with a ton of dedicated content.  Even major console publishers are developing for these systems. They will likely appeal more to lower end/casual or portable consumers, but that's still marketshare lost to the traditional 3.   Probably mostly to Nintendo and MS.

We still know too little about Valves plans to guage any impact. 

Also, with Smart TVs now becoming the norm, cloud gaming could make major inroads as well.   This next gen will look nothing like previous gens.  The market has expanded and diversified to a level we've not seen before.


Pretty much multimedia hubs now.  Microsoft has been aiming at that for years and I could see sony going the same route to be honest.




       

Gamerace on 11 December 2012

@JayWood - Yes. We're seeing a convergence of tech and the lines between phones/tablets/PC/game systems/TVs will become increasingly blurred. Which is why I like the direction MS is taking (rumoured) to really differentiate it's system from everything else out there.



 

Max King of the Wild on 11 December 2012

Im 3 pages in and havent seen this comment yet

"Gabe is fat and needs to loose weight"

I'm very surprised.

OT - this will fail in market share. May succeed in profit however



thranx on 11 December 2012
DanneSandin said:

I have a hard time picturing this PConsole being successful... When you game on your PC its with the mouse and keyboard, and I would imagine that few livingroom tables are high enough to allow for that set up. Many families already has a PC, which they use to do homework and work on, sharing it. It would be a really niche market that would buy a PConsole. And Valve don't have the kind of 1st party games that pushes a system. I guess it'll sell like... 10m-20m units, but probably closer to 10 going by what little we know now.


i game mostly on my pc, and 90% of the time i use a controller, I only use mouse and keyboard for RTS's and Diablo 3.



coolguy on 11 December 2012

Steam box wont kill off the consoles.



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