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theprof00 on 10 December 2012
Barozi said:
theprof00 said:
Barozi it's funny that you could say the op is vague, yet understand the op point of "games that don't sell well at first doesn't mean they are flops" (hence your trying to argue the point with first week sales), and then entirely miss the point completely. All in one post.

The point is that flops cannot be determined so early in a games life. Disagree? I'm sure you do. Looking at your own numbers for week one would've left lbp with a 75% dropoff second week. Yet it went on to 5 m.

The dropoff is 58% and that's exactly between 1/2 and 1/3 but nowhere near 1/4. Besides, many big games have huge (50%+) drops in its second week.

Also if the first week is 450k and that only 2 months before Christmas, no one would think that it's not gonna make 1 or 2m anytime soon. Sure LBP did more than expected, but it's not comparable to any other PS3 game right now, not even its own sequel.

Launch LBP now and it would do much worse. Not this year or next but in the long term due to the new consoles.

Again I don't know what games you're referring to but are you expecting for example PSASBR to do LBP like or even only half the numbers with W1 sales of 131k (still a bit overtracked according to NPD) and W2 sales of 35k ?
W1 sales were 29% of LBP's W1 sales. Even expecting the same incredible legs (selling good amounts in 4 years - > 2016) would mean 1.46m sales in 2016 and that is really the best case possible.

is that your prediction?

howbout you give me yours ill give you mine, and we'll come back to it?

howbout loser makes a thread saying they were wrong?





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sales2099 on 10 December 2012
theprof00 said:
sales2099 said:
LBP didnt flop........but LBP 2 did, LBP Vita did, LBP PSP did, LBP karting did.

How did you miss those games?!?!?!


is he point of this thread that lbp franchise didnt flop?

no. the point is that early sales are not good predictors for later success.

Just saying pick a more current game and one that doesnt massively drop off in relevance past the first release. if anything your proving how the Battle Royale Sequel will sell even worse lol.



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hatmoza on 10 December 2012

What animal makes a squawk sound?



I am the black sheep     "of course I'm crazy, but that doesn't mean I'm wrong."-Robert Anton Wilson

TruckOSaurus on 10 December 2012
hatmoza said:
What animal makes a squawk sound?




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theprof00 on 10 December 2012
sales2099 said:
Week Ending Dec 1 2012.

98 Forza Motorsport 3
99 Diablo III PC Activision
100 PlayStation All-Stars Battle Royale

lol /thread


according to vgc who has undertracked ps3 and software by nearly 20% these past two weeks, and vita by 100%.

also does not include digital, which sony stats show, for full ps3 game sales as being 25% of revenue on psn, where psn makes 50% of all their game sales revenue, which means that there is likely 25% more copies sold digitally, and likely undertracked ww, if slightly overtracked in usa.



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hatmoza on 10 December 2012
theprof00 said:
sales2099 said:
Week Ending Dec 1 2012.

98 Forza Motorsport 3
99 Diablo III PC Activision
100 PlayStation All-Stars Battle Royale

lol /thread


according to vgc who has undertracked ps3 and software by nearly 20% these past two weeks, and vita by 100%.

also does not include digital, which sony stats show, for full ps3 game sales as being 25% of revenue on psn, where psn makes 50% of all their game sales revenue, which means that there is likely 25% more copies sold digitally, and likely undertracked ww, if slightly overtracked in usa.


I was never a believer that digital sales were all that until I realized almost all my game purchases this year were digital.



I am the black sheep     "of course I'm crazy, but that doesn't mean I'm wrong."-Robert Anton Wilson

Barozi on 10 December 2012
theprof00 said:
Barozi said:

The dropoff is 58% and that's exactly between 1/2 and 1/3 but nowhere near 1/4. Besides, many big games have huge (50%+) drops in its second week.

Also if the first week is 450k and that only 2 months before Christmas, no one would think that it's not gonna make 1 or 2m anytime soon. Sure LBP did more than expected, but it's not comparable to any other PS3 game right now, not even its own sequel.

Launch LBP now and it would do much worse. Not this year or next but in the long term due to the new consoles.

Again I don't know what games you're referring to but are you expecting for example PSASBR to do LBP like or even only half the numbers with W1 sales of 131k (still a bit overtracked according to NPD) and W2 sales of 35k ?
W1 sales were 29% of LBP's W1 sales. Even expecting the same incredible legs (selling good amounts in 4 years - > 2016) would mean 1.46m sales in 2016 and that is really the best case possible.

is that your prediction?

howbout you give me yours ill give you mine, and we'll come back to it?

howbout loser makes a thread saying they were wrong?

So you want us to come back to this thread in either 2016 or when PSASBR hits 1.47m ?
Dude we're never going to remember that let alone find the thread.

I don't even know your position on this issue as all you've ever said was that nobody should judge LT sales based on FW data.



hatmoza on 10 December 2012
TruckOSaurus said:
hatmoza said:
What animal makes a squawk sound?



THIS WAS PURPLE A FEW MINUTES AGO!



I am the black sheep     "of course I'm crazy, but that doesn't mean I'm wrong."-Robert Anton Wilson

theprof00 on 10 December 2012
sales2099 said:
theprof00 said:
sales2099 said:
LBP didnt flop........but LBP 2 did, LBP Vita did, LBP PSP did, LBP karting did.

How did you miss those games?!?!?!


is he point of this thread that lbp franchise didnt flop?

no. the point is that early sales are not good predictors for later success.

Just saying pick a more current game and one that doesnt massively drop off in relevance past the first release. if anything your proving how the Battle Royale Sequel will sell even worse lol.

that's off topic. nobody is talking about the sequel. Your insistence on drawing this into an expanded argument shows how afraid you are of confronting the actual point.





sales2099 on 10 December 2012
theprof00 said:
sales2099 said:
Week Ending Dec 1 2012.

98 Forza Motorsport 3
99 Diablo III PC Activision
100 PlayStation All-Stars Battle Royale

lol /thread


according to vgc who has undertracked ps3 and software by nearly 20% these past two weeks, and vita by 100%.

also does not include digital, which sony stats show, for full ps3 game sales as being 25% of revenue on psn, where psn makes 50% of all their game sales revenue, which means that there is likely 25% more copies sold digitally, and likely undertracked ww, if slightly overtracked in usa.

Not relevant



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