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JTurner82 on 08 December 2012
ryuzaki57 said:

ZombiU sold all of its units from bundles in Europe. It is not performing better than the rest of the core titles. Nintendo games are already choking the 3rd parties' business.

So you're saying already that 3rd party support is dead already?  There's still time for sales to improve.



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Barozi on 08 December 2012
Conegamer said:
Barozi said:
People like to talk about something and WiiU gives a reason to do so.
Whether it be positive or negative.

I expect a fair number of these people are people who were angry at the backlash the Vita got shortly after launch, and despite the fact I got one shortly after launch, and loved it, I also fell under this catergory. However, it's fair to say that despite also loving the WiiU (and everyone should get one), if sales do not improve somewhat then expect some more of these threads and articles from me.

BUT, this is the issue. It's literally one week in. That first thread was over 3 months after the Japanese launch, and the second one some 6 weeks later. I just think people are jumping the gun somewhat, and some people taking this too far when sales suggest otherwise. This is what frustrates me, and most others on this site (regardless of their brand loyalty; if they have one).  Just the downright wish and determination for people to take any shread of news, good or bad, rumoured or true, and rip it apart. 

I think that, in this case (as later happened with the Vita it must be said), things are starting to get out of hand. We shall see how things go from here with the Japanese launch, but I don't see things improving, regardless of the WiiU's situation.

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...but it IS nice to be talking about sales again, as you say, be it positive or not-so-positive.

Well I haven't seen people complain about the HW sales (maybe Europe) so much. it's mostly SW and third parties.



Conegamer on 08 December 2012
JTurner82 said:
Conegamer said:
Barozi said:
People like to talk about something and WiiU gives a reason to do so.
Whether it be positive or negative.

I expect a fair number of these people are people who were angry at the backlash the Vita got shortly after launch, and despite the fact I got one shortly after launch, and loved it, I also fell under this catergory. However, it's fair to say that despite also loving the WiiU (and everyone should get one), if sales do not improve somewhat then expect some more of these threads and articles from me.

BUT, this is the issue. It's literally one week in. That first thread was over 3 months after the Japanese launch, and the second one some 6 weeks later. I just think people are jumping the gun somewhat, and some people taking this too far when sales suggest otherwise. This is what frustrates me, and most others on this site (regardless of their brand loyalty; if they have one).  Just the downright wish and determination for people to take any shread of news, good or bad, rumoured or true, and rip it apart. 

I think that, in this case (as later happened with the Vita it must be said), things are starting to get out of hand. We shall see how things go from here with the Japanese launch, but I don't see things improving, regardless of the WiiU's situation.

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...but it IS nice to be talking about sales again, as you say, be it positive or not-so-positive.

I expect the Japanese launch to go very smoothly, because they have a killer app there that will capture the JRPG audience:  Monster Hunter 3.  Having that at launch will definitely give it sales.  If anything, I expect the Japanese third parties to be on board with the system more so than the Western ones.  (The lack of Dark Souls 2 doesn't worry me; there's still time to get it on there.)

MH3 didn't have particularly great pre-orders in COMG, though

(Thanks to the thread and Boutros for this one)

Previous MH games had far higher pre-orders than this one. I'm not saying there's a huge corralation, and it should push some systems, but I'd say a launch of 300-350k is probably the best Nintendo can hope for in Japan. Which, whilst good, will be spun as being 'lower than the Vita'.

But there you go.



 

Here lies the dearly departed Nintendomination Thread.

Conegamer on 08 December 2012
Barozi said:
Conegamer said:
Barozi said:
People like to talk about something and WiiU gives a reason to do so.
Whether it be positive or negative.

I expect a fair number of these people are people who were angry at the backlash the Vita got shortly after launch, and despite the fact I got one shortly after launch, and loved it, I also fell under this catergory. However, it's fair to say that despite also loving the WiiU (and everyone should get one), if sales do not improve somewhat then expect some more of these threads and articles from me.

BUT, this is the issue. It's literally one week in. That first thread was over 3 months after the Japanese launch, and the second one some 6 weeks later. I just think people are jumping the gun somewhat, and some people taking this too far when sales suggest otherwise. This is what frustrates me, and most others on this site (regardless of their brand loyalty; if they have one).  Just the downright wish and determination for people to take any shread of news, good or bad, rumoured or true, and rip it apart. 

I think that, in this case (as later happened with the Vita it must be said), things are starting to get out of hand. We shall see how things go from here with the Japanese launch, but I don't see things improving, regardless of the WiiU's situation.

...

...but it IS nice to be talking about sales again, as you say, be it positive or not-so-positive.

Well I haven't seen people complain about the HW sales (maybe Europe) so much. it's mostly SW and third parties.

True, most of the trash talk came from the WW UP thread (if you sifted through the "other" stuff), the "UK 40k" thread around Europe, and from Spurge's thread on the Japanese launch, targeted at America. But most of the trash talk is indeed about the SW lineup, and whilst it has its highlights (Pikmin, Wonderful 101, Bayonetta, Rayman, LEGO to name a few), it certainly doesn't compete without some multiplat AAA games. 

I think if GTA V makes to switch over, and not too far after the launch on the other systems (if not same day), then the talk about it will end. 



 

Here lies the dearly departed Nintendomination Thread.

Scoobes on 08 December 2012
Barozi said:
Scoobes said:
JTurner82 said:
Scoobes said:
So supposedly, the attach rate for retail sales is 1.2. As you point out though, digital sales are not mentioned at all, then there is the fact that a good number of these consoles have probably been bought as Christmas presents so new games probably won't be purchased until after Christmas.

I suspect digital sales boost the attach rate up massively.

Is that sarcasm, or reason?  Not a provoke, just curious.

Serious. Digital downloads and streaming is the future. Steam, PSN, Xbox Live, Apple app store, Google Play, Origin etc. have shown this. Then you have the Walking Dead game actually winning game of the year at the VGAs which further shows how digital downloads have hit the mainstream gaming segment. A download only game winning game of the year even last year would have been shocking.

I remember EA reps even mentioned (concerning NPD numbers on ME3 and Battlefield 3 sales I think) how NPD only shows a small part of the picture and that it's actually outdated to only use their retail numbers.

Well since the WiiU doesn't include a decent sized HDD I doubt that digital games ($60 ones) had any meaningful sales so far.
I know you can hook up every external HDD you can find, but no one is going to buy one at launch if he could just buy another game for it instead.

Furthermore many console games are being sold in stores first and come to digital shops a few months later.


We also haven't seen any reports about how $60 games are doing on PSN or Games on Demand (XBL). Therefore it's incredibly hard to tell. They must sell something but they're surely only account for 1/10 (likely lower) of retail sales.

I think a significant number of early customers are going to comprise of core Nintendo and gaming fans who would already have an external HDD for downlaods, and it has enough space for a single retail download anyway. I personally have 2 external HDD and 2 laptop HDDs that could be put into enclosures. It definitly has enough space for smaller digital download games.

Didn't Nintendo also say they were going to release all games digitally on the retail release date?




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Barozi on 08 December 2012
Scoobes said:
Barozi said:

Well since the WiiU doesn't include a decent sized HDD I doubt that digital games ($60 ones) had any meaningful sales so far.
I know you can hook up every external HDD you can find, but no one is going to buy one at launch if he could just buy another game for it instead.

Furthermore many console games are being sold in stores first and come to digital shops a few months later.


We also haven't seen any reports about how $60 games are doing on PSN or Games on Demand (XBL). Therefore it's incredibly hard to tell. They must sell something but they're surely only account for 1/10 (likely lower) of retail sales.

I think a significant number of early customers are going to comprise of core Nintendo and gaming fans who would already have an external HDD for downlaods, and it has enough space for a single retail download anyway. I personally have 2 external HDD and 2 laptop HDDs that could be put into enclosures. It definitly has enough space for smaller digital download games.

Didn't Nintendo also say they were going to release all games digitally on the retail release date?

Well I had no way to check the games on the eShop, so Wiki is my only source: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Wii_U_eShop_games

Still it was Black Friday, so the WiiU games were certainly cheaper in stores compared to the eShop and there shouldn't be any issues with software shipments. For the most part it's always smarter to buy console games in a store, as it's cheaper in pretty much every case.



JTurner82 on 08 December 2012
spurgeonryan said:
But we did the same thiing with the 3ds and vita. Times are changing


And now the 3DS is getting love in Japan (and to a lesser extent, USA and EU), while the Vita is all but ignored worldwide.



Nem on 08 December 2012
JTurner82 said:

So first week sales for WiiU games are not what people expected, everyone starts calling out that the WiiU is doomed, that 3rd parties are abandoning it, etc. WITHOUT ANY ACTUAL PROOF.  Yes we have yet to hear of new software for the system, and yes, it's frustrating not knowing what or WHEN such titles will come out.  But the jumping to conclusions doomsaying is REALLY grating on me.  I expect the sales for the multiports (AC3, NG3, Batman, CoD2) to gradually leg out, and maybe perform better digitally (digital sales) and it's also interesting to know that ZombiU fared the best of the 3rd party games.  And that is a core title, not a casual one.  So... everybody just relax.


My opinion, they are feeling insecure about it.

They know that if the Wii U is sucessful it will pose a real threat to the other 2 systems. So, they are beeing extremely vocal and overexagerating to try and make the Wii U less dangerous. From Sony fanboys it seems to be some bitter resentment from the Vita vs the 3DS aswell.

I'm not worried. At worst the console will be a gamecube (wich didnt sell awesome but had awesome games), at best it is a sucess and has great games. We all know Nintendo delivers on the first party front. The console is garanteed to have an HD Zelda and an HD metroid between other quality software.

I say this and i have not bought one. My personal choice might be another one. I am waiting and seeing, but the Wii U is definitly a purchase to consider. Just need a few more good games for it. NG3RE and MH3Ultimate already make it extremely appealing by march (for me). I am very curious to see how MH3Ultimate will work. If its well done it could be a great game (online play + ease to comunicate with the Wii U pad + Miiverse). Also isnt the Wii U backwards compatible? That adds quite a library of games to it. In particular the Wii RPG's that came out this year.



Soleron on 08 December 2012

Third parties have never worked for Nintendo since NES days. They live or die on first party software. As far as the market is concerned, only two games exist for the Wii U right now. The tablet is about as much of a selling point as hardware 3D: no effect.

The only worrying thing is the lack of future first-party announcements. Nintendo has never surprised us with suddenly filling an empty part of the calendar, so if 2H 2013 looks dead now, it's pretty dead.



AstroMaSSi on 08 December 2012

The question is simply this: why should I buy a Nintendo Wii U to play games like Assassin Creed 3, ME 3 and other porting? I have Nintendoland, NSMBU, Trine 2 and Little Inferno, it's enough.



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