You can believe whatever you want, I'm not going to change it, but you can't change history. That region where you born was part of Hispania province of the roman empire, latter it was part of the Visigode Spain, then was part of the Kingdom of Navarra, that later it adheres to the kingdom of Castilla, and then Castilla and Aragon adhere to form Spain, more than five hundred years ago. The historic regions of Spain are Castilla, Leon, Navarra and Aragon, the Basque region wasn't ever a kingdom or an independent country, and Catalonia was a region of Aragon. If you want to talk before the roman empire, then we will witness the atomization of every modern country, as then there weren't big countries due to the communication problems and lack of infrastructures.

The biggest problem in Spain is to cede the education system to the regions, an education system that leaves the regions the freedom to teach a false history. That's what the pro independence politicians saw clearly, and the other politicians didn't saw it.

You can believe whatever you want, I'm not going to change it, but you can't change history. That region where you born was part of Hispania province of the roman empire, latter it was part of the Visigode Spain, then was part of the Kingdom of Navarra, that later it adheres to the kingdom of Castilla, and then Castilla and Aragon adhere to form Spain, more than five hundred years ago. The historic regions of Spain are Castilla, Leon, Navarra and Aragon, the Basque region wasn't ever a kingdom or an independent country, and Catalonia was a region of Aragon. If you want to talk before the roman empire, then we will witness the atomization of every modern country, as then there weren't big countries due to the communication problems and lack of infrastructures.

The biggest problem in Spain is to cede the education system to the regions, an education system that leaves the regions the freedom to teach a false history. That's what the pro independence politicians saw clearly, and the other politicians didn't saw it.

Te estás yendo por la tangente.

I was talking about signed and aproved deals that both the central and the regional government accepted, like "L'estatut" where it says that the central government has to make some payments. the problem is that some of those payments haven't been done.

Don't get me wrong, I'm not trying to defence the Generalitat, it has done very, very bad decisions that should be ammended as soon as possible as well as stop spending money on certain things (like the embassies), but that doesn't mean that the central government can violate the agreements they have signed.

Oh. and no, the way I see it, Madrid doesn't hate us. But just let me say that Madrid is not Spain (something that many tend to forget), and that we aren't specially welcomed either.

Remember what happened with Endesa, a company which has Catalonia as their biggest market? How they fought to avoid Gas Natural buying it even though it would still be spanish only to sell it to an italian company? That wasn't hate, it's worse and more stupid: "you" (in general, not to you) just don't like us.

Cool. Again, I care about what people want now. You're still not addressing my main point.

eON offered more money, only that, but you should remember that Gas Natural wanted endesa at most at ~20€ share, and the final offer was over 45 euros share. It's something that any CEO would do, when some company tries to make an hostile takeover, it's your obligation to search for another company that wants to pay more.  Endesa was a private held company, and the government tried to make Pizarro accept the Gas Natural offer, but he did what anyone would do, create value to the shareholders. I can remember you that the Italian company entered in the auction because the Spanish government didn't want a German company controlling Endesa.

The l'estatut can say whatever it wants, as the other estatutos say, but if you add what all the estatutos say they deserve, we have a country that has to provide the regions more than 100% of the income. That's factually impossible, and Mas knows it. We had an incompetent government that made promises to all the regions, promises that are impossible to comply with, and now we have this irresolvable sudoku as Solbes (socialist economy minister) called it.

When I talk about Madrid, I'm only repeating what the politicians there say, everything bad comes from Madrid, everything is Madrid's fault.

The government tried to force the sellout to Gas Natural... right.

And what I said is that whatever has been agreeded to and signed has to be respected. If you agree to pay certain services then you have to pay them, otherwise you are violating the law.

Anyway, if someone who is not from Spain is following the discussions that we are having here, they will realize how bad the situation is. We don't see the same thing in the same way. That's the problem, and I'm affraid that there is no solution for that.

The socialist government? Sure. Ask Pizarro and the followings he had. eON paid more, and Enel even more, so I don't know why you keep saying that Endesa should be sold to Gas Natural.

So any promise, as absurd as it is, should be kept by the following government? Let me see, so if the government promises to give 90% of the money to Andalusia, they should keep that promise in any case? The government has to make compromises, and you can't give to everyone the money some guy before you promised, because this makes any country non governable.

In any country you have differences, the problem resides in politicians that use that differences to create problems where there weren't, and to search for an enemy that diverts the attention of your policies.

So Endesa had to be sold undervalued by more than a 50% because you say so. Ok, that's completely reasonable. The politic affiliation of the CEO of the company has nothing to do, it's a clear ad-hominem attack that has nothing to do with good for the shareholder practices.

I will say it again. Catalonia has in it's estatut that Spain has to provide them ~19% of all the money taxed in Spain, due to their GPD, and they have to provide all the funds necessary to keep that GPD. Andalusia more or less the same due to population. Castille and León the same due to extension, Aragón due to the river and some other absurd thing... this is written in all the regional laws, not only in the Catalan one, and every region says their motive to get more money that the others. If we have to provide everyone what their laws say, Spain has to provide much more than a 100% of the income. The problem lies mainly in Catalonia, where their politicians see this but they ignore that what they ask for is impossible, because it's impossible to comply with all the estatutos.

Are you telling me that we should ignore all the other estatutos, and only comply with the Catalan one?