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Kynes said:
Troll_Whisperer said:
Kynes said:
Troll_Whisperer said:
Kynes said:
Troll_Whisperer said:

 

haxxiy said:
Troll_Whisperer said:
To be honest if we (Basques) ever gain independence I'd prefer if we wouldn't join the EU. I think we'd be better off with real independence, our own currency, etc. like Switzerland or Norway.

I also want to say it's sad that the oldest nation, with the oldest language alive in Europe is not allowed to decide what it wants be.


There's no such thing as an older or newer language. Their study should be interpreted under a dialetical aspect instead of something of means and ends, for they evolve and change as time passes. Basque evolved from proto-basque who in turn came from pre-proto-basque and so on. Every language spoken on Europe has a background as rich, if not much richer - since they were subject to the contact with way more cultures - than Basque. 


Ok, fair enough. Perhaps the 'most unchanged' I guess. But its a reasonable argument.

 

Like I said above, I prefer to focus on the present though, despite my brief moment of pride :p

Are you talking of the Euskara Batua? rofl.

Not necessarily.

Seeing as you're not adressing the other things I said I'm gonna assume you haven't got many arguments.

Not gonna argue with you further.

You can believe whatever you want, I'm not going to change it, but you can't change history. That region where you born was part of Hispania province of the roman empire, latter it was part of the Visigode Spain, then was part of the Kingdom of Navarra, that later it adheres to the kingdom of Castilla, and then Castilla and Aragon adhere to form Spain, more than five hundred years ago. The historic regions of Spain are Castilla, Leon, Navarra and Aragon, the Basque region wasn't ever a kingdom or an independent country, and Catalonia was a region of Aragon. If you want to talk before the roman empire, then we will witness the atomization of every modern country, as then there weren't big countries due to the communication problems and lack of infrastructures.

The biggest problem in Spain is to cede the education system to the regions, an education system that leaves the regions the freedom to teach a false history. That's what the pro independence politicians saw clearly, and the other politicians didn't saw it.

Cool. Again, I care about what people want now. You're still not addressing my main point.

Your main point is that you want to decide if you want to be part of Spain or not? I'm not against it, if your region wants an economic suicide, then so be it. Having a socialist country in the north of Spain is not a problem per se, the best of the people born there will leave that paradise to find success in warmer lands. Bildu wants to create a socialist authoritarian regime, and the day your region gets the independence is the first day of the end of the EAJ, and they know it.

So we agree then. Thank you.

Any mistakes that we make will be OUR mistakes and not the imposed mistakes of others, that's good enough and I'm glad that we think alike.



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