Same time as the next Box, Holidays of 2013.

late 2013 but a botch launch, games won't be to impressive but i think this is way better then to wait for late 2014, to give the wii U a 2 years head start and 1 year to the 720 would be suicidal for Sony

Depends on what Sony plans do to with their road show. 2012 is pretty much over so you have 1 year to get as much information out as possible for a 2013 release and that sounds too far fetched (given Nintendo did 2 e3's for the Wii U). So im looking at 2014 early fall.

Ill put the next xbox in the same boat, not enough information out, and the year being over would mean trying to get as much info out in the space of 12 months, and that seems impossible.

Late 2013/Early 2014 Launch.

With a showing at E3 2013.

Yes, Sony will be late to the party but I think many people seem to be getting ahead of themselves in thinking that, "releasing a console late is a bad idea". When the PS3 launch it had several factors going against it:

1. The PS3 had a horrible psn service. I mean it was just downright awful. The user interface was bad, you couldn't send messages "in-game", and there was no trophy support etc. 2. The price of the PS3 console was ludicrous. Paying £500/$600 for a console is unacceptable. If I remember correctly, the 3DO had a similar price tag back in the early 1990's and became a failure. 3. Cell. Yes the cell which powered the PS3 was difficult to work with and thus deprived the PS3 from potentially producing out a huge volume of games in the early going. 4. Loss of major franchises. The PS3 lost some of the biggest franchises that had been exclusive to the PS2. Final Fantasy, GTA, Tekken, Street Fighter and the new Assassin's Creed were originally meant to be PS3 exclusives.  Provided that the PS4 "delivers" on its promise then it should be a major success. Even more so than the PS1 and PS 2.

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Anyway, the way I see it, the PS4 should launch when the time is right.  Whether that's before the next Xbox or after is up to them.  If it makes money and gets a good following, it won't matter if it's first or last in sales.  Sony should just focus on doing everything right.

Honestly I would say spring 2014 is crucial for a worldwide release but I think they will only launch in japan in spring 2014. I really wouldn't like to say when sony launches. They don't seem ready like the others. Unless they are extremely good at keeping secrets. Sure developers have been working with ps4 for some time now but given the situation with the vita right now it would make it seem like a late 2013/early 2014 release it rushing it just to keep up with xbox.

Their schedule seems way behind microsoft.

I would'nt expect to be the leader in system sales, but why would it be suicide?

the next xbox and playstation will release around the same time. theres no way sony will release the ps4 at the end of 2014 if a new xbox is released in 2013. they know how damaging it could be to release a year later again.

I probably won't have any interest in a PS4 until at least 2015.